Lesson 4. The Bhaava (Houses).

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Lesson 4. The Bhaava (Houses).

Post by RishiRahul » Fri Jul 13, 2007 4:40 pm

The Bhaava
Bhaava means emotion, state of mind.
Bhaavanaa – Imagination.

From various dictionaries:
bhava = coming into existence , birth , production , origin , arising or produced from , being in , relating to ; becoming , turning into (comp.); being, state of being, existence, life; worldly existence, the world
Bhava i.e. Shiva and his wife.

Meanings of "bhava":1. (at the end of comp.) arising or produced from

1.being;2.birth;3.source;4.worldly existence;5.the world;6.well-being;7.excellence;8.name of Shiva;

Bhaava. Becoming, being, existing, occurring, appearance; turning or transition into.  
Meanings of "bhaava": 1.being; 2.becoming; 3.state; 4.manner; 5.rank; 6.true condition or state;
7. Innate property; 8.inclination or disposition of mind; 9.feeling; 10.love; 11.purport; 12.meaning;
13.resolution;14.the heart;15.existing thing;16.a being;17.abstract meditation;18.conduct;19.gesture;20.birth;21.the world;22.the womb;23.will;


This world is Bhava Sagar – (Ocean of Becoming), and hence the Mother Goddess Taaraa is called Bhavaani (A form of Paarvati, wife of lord Shiva) She who becomes everything and to save us from this world of becoming, she takes the form of Bhava Taarini (Takes us safely from this ocean of constant becoming). And hence the Bhaava is superimposed on Raashi.


In Western Astrology Bhaavas are called houses.
The first house is the house which rises on the Eastern Horizon you will see a particular Raashi (Assuming you know, how to identify the star constituting the Raashi) rising (Ascending or climbing)

Suppose the rising sign is Dhanu, it is - Lagnaa or Ascendant
Makara will be the – Second Bhaava
Kumbha will be the – Third Bhaava
Meena will be the – Forth Bhaava

And so on …
The houses are counted zodiacally.

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Here if we take the Raashis to be Static aspect of the zodiac, the Bhaavas are the Dynamic aspects of the zodiac.

The first house is the Rising Raashi,
The forth house is the yet to Rise and is below the horizon. In fact it is right below the feet. (Represents midnight)
The Seventh House is the Raashi which is setting in the west, just going below the horizon. (Represents Sunset)
The Tenth House is the topmost (Represents noon)


The first house is akin to Mesha, the fourth akin to Karaka, the seventh house is akin to Tula and the tenth house is akin to Makara.

Now take the 5th to 9th from each of these houses like
1st – 5th – 9th
2nd – 6th – 10th
3rd – 7th – 11th
4th – 8th – 12th

These houses are in the harmony – firstly because they represents the same Tatwaa.
The 5th from any house is its future.
The 9th from any house is its past.
These are the Trikona (Trines)

The 1 – 4 – 7 – 10 houses from any house are the pillars of the sector. These are the Kendra (Squares)

For example, the first house represents the sense of being ness the “I AM” feeling in any horoscope for the native (Jataka). (The Native or Jataka means the person whose horoscope is being read by the Jyotisha.)

The 5th house will represent the future sense of “I”
And 9th house will represent the past sense of “I”

The first and the other two houses will represent the same tatwaas.
The 4th from the 1st belongs to the same motive force, Sthira, Chara or Dwijbhaava and hence co-operate with each other. Like the example given in the Raashi Lesson – where the cars were moving in their particular lane as per the speed limit.

The first house represents the self. Your characteristics, your nature etc. this represents your Dharmaa – That which you hold.

The fourth house is the lowest point where “I” sense will be at the lowest. Totally forgetting the “I” sense is Mokshaa or The Liberation.

The 7th house is the opposite of the 1st house representing your interactions with the outside world. (This house is the doorway to the world) in other words, it is intercourse with the world hence this is Kamaa. (Desires)

The 10th house is the topmost house (Directly over head). This represents, pinnacle of “I”. Feeling this is Arthaa.

The trines from each of these four houses form the Trikonaas (Trines) of the particular Purusharthaa.


The four Purusharthaas are Dharmaa, Arthaa, Kaama, and Mokshaa. And are called the Aayaanas or aims of life.

Dharmaa

This represents the person’s belief systems. Every person holds in him / her some belief system which is said to define him / her for the society.
A person is born into a belief system by birth in a family professing it (first Bhaava).
The person goes to a certain place for worship (ninth house).
The person holds some book or words as sacred (fifth house).

Arthaa

The person has to define to the world at large. This “Trying to define himself” to the world is done through speech, food (second house),
Work ethics, hard labor, and the ability to control the people (sixth house).
Earn money, work hard and achieve power (tenth house).

Kaama

Every person has legitimate or otherwise desires, which can be fulfilled as per the norms of the society. Personal interactions i.e. person to person (third house),
Business interactions i.e. buying - Selling, partnership, negotiations (seventh house)
Social interactions i.e. Friends etc (eleventh house).

Mokshaa

This is the end point of all human existence “Freedom”.

Freedom from the feeling “I”
As in the Mothers womb or Lap (fourth house).
As in sickness or death (eighth house)
As in sleep or Liberation (twelfth house)
As we have seen that there is a synchronicity (as in Raashis having same motive force) as well as empathy (as in Raashis having same elements) Therefore in traditional Jyotisha, the house is a full Raaashi.

I.e. suppose the degree of the sign rising on the horizon is 18 degrees, the whole Raashi of Tula will be treated as the first house. The second house will be Vrischika, the third will be Dhanu, the forth will be Makara, the fifth will be Kumbha and so on… unlike Western Astrology.
There are house divisions also in Jyotish but it will be discussed later.

The Lords of Raashis:
The Lords of these Raashis will be the Lords of these Bhaavas. Like Tula rising will be lagna and so the Lord of the 1st Bhaava or Lagnaadhipati will be Shukra. The Lord of the 2nd Bhaava will be Ketu / Mars because they are the Co _ Lords of the Vrishchika. The lord of the 3rd Bhaava will be Guru as he is the Lord of Dhanu, which falls in the 3rd house and so on.

So we have learnt that each bhaava has certain significations, each rules some compartment of life of an individual, each falls in a certain Raashi, each has a lord ruling it.
Each Bhaava also has a planet (Graha) who becomes its significator.
We will deal in detail with all these aspects in detail in the next posts in this lesson.

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Post by vivekvshetty » Sun Jul 15, 2007 7:10 pm

After understanding something about the Raashis and the Bhaavas we can understand the relation between the Aayana, Tatwaa and the Raashi,

When we were learning jyotish a co-student asked the teacher a query.

Question by a student w.r.t the Tatwaas and the Purushaartha.

I can understand the following.

Zodiacal Kendra - Chara rasi - Lorded by Brahma - Rajo Guna - Creation
Zodiacal Panapara - Sthira rasi - Lorded by Shiva - Tamasik Guna -Destruction
Zodiacal Apoklima - Dwisbava rasi - Lorded by Vishnu - Satwik Guna -Protection

But I cannot understand the following and correlate.

Dharma trikona - Mesha, Simha, Dhanu. - Agni tatwa
Artha trikona - Vrishabha, Kanyaa, Makar. - Prithwi tatwa
Kama trikona - Mithuna, Tulaa, Kumbha. - Vayu tatwa
Moksh trikona - Kark, Vrichika, Meena. - Jala tatwa

I cannot correlate, how Agni tatwa represents Dharma trikona and other tatwa also.
Can you please explain the correlation between the Tatwa and the Trikona?

=>  ANSWER BY PT.SANJAY RATH

The trikona are mentioned for the Natural Zodiac and it is necessary to study MOTHER
NATURE FIRST AS SHE IS THE REAL SHAKTI (Power) LEADING TO BHAAGAVAN (God).

Now, Start with sunrise when the Sun is in the first house. Aries is the first house of nature and the dharma trikona would be the fire signs...and so on. Fire which is the physical representative of Agni Tatwa is the remover of all sins and evils just like the purity of dharma removing the weaknesses and sins of the past. Bhakta's like Prahalada and Srima Sarada devi (w/o Ramakrishna Paramhamsa) can sit inside a burning pyre
and recite OM NAMO BHAGAVATE VASUDEVAYA. Vasu refers to the light or the purest form of agni tatwa. (The reference is to Jupiter the greatest and representative of God in Agni Rasi).

Now, come to midday when the Sun is in the tenth house and the natural sign is Capricorn. The focus is on work and Karma Yoga. The signs are earthy and materially focused forming the Artha Trikona. It is here that most men fall and their Karma Yoga gets diverted to self gratification instead of Nishkaama karma (work without the desire for fruit). Jupiter is in debility. The great Bhakta's like Gajendra (King of the elephants)
sing KLEEM HRISHIKESHAYA NAMAH and ensure that Bhagavan comes riding the Bird Garuda and removes them from sin that can cause such a terrible fall.

At sunset, the Sun is in the seventh house and the 7th house of nature is Libra. This is the begining of desire that ultimately culminates in sex etc. The native, having finished working, dreams of meeting spouse etc and fulfills desires related to social and personal matters. The Airy signs can make the mind travel to great depths and the imagination is vivid as the desires will depend on what the mind has got wind of. Great Bhakta like
Narada Muni (who was touched by the arrow of Kama devata) will sing HARE KRISHNA and will save themselves from these tormenting desires.

At midnight, all sleep and the trines to the bed is the 4th house called Jala trikona. The Sun is in the 4th house and the water element is very strong. The penultimate sleep symbolises Moksha and Jupiter in these signs shows Bhagawan as sleeping on a bed or reclining on a couch. The Bhakta's like Mahalakshmi and Shiva sing OM NAMO NARAYANAYA and attain Moksha.

Ayana refers to the direction of ones life and we know that MORNING SHOWS THE DAY. So, the prayer/pooja we do in the morning is vital to directing our efforts and path of life. This is done with the Gayatri Mantra's. Maharishi's who aim for Moksha stand in a river with water in their hands, JALA tatwa predominates in the Brahma Muhurta as they recite the gayatri. Hold water in cupped hands and offer this to Bhagavan as you recite the  Gayatri mantra, then the Moksha ayana is obtained. If you hold a burning lamp as a sign of offering while reciting the Gayatri, then Dharma trikona re activated and the sins are washed away, ignorance goes and the light of knowledge comes. Offering incense indicates the prithvi tatwa and the person becomes a Karma Yogi while the offering of food fulfills all desires. Those who aim for perfection in all the four ayana will hold a lotus or other flower as an offering and recite the Gayatri. In this manner the ayana should be understood with reference to the Tatwa.


I know there are certain terms learners may not understand in this lesson, the remedy for it is to ask clarifications and questions.
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Visible and invicible half of the Bhaa Chakra.

Post by vivekvshetty » Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:19 pm

Visible and invicible half of the Bhaa Chakra.

Observing the eastrn horizon at any time, we find the sign rising to be the Lagna.
some part of it is already risen and some part has still to rise (this part is below the horizon).
Just above tha rising Raashi we find the twelfth house raashi.
Above this the eleventh house Raashi.
Above this the tenth house Raashi directly overhead.
Below this but on the western part of the sky we find the ninth house        Raashi.
Below this on the westrn side of the sky we find the eighth house Raashi.
Below this on the western horizon we find the seventh house Raashi setting.

Depending on the degree of the sign rising on the Lagna to the degree on its seventh sign is the visible part of the Zodiac (Bhaa chakra).
Example:
Suppose a person was born when 27 degree of Dhanu (Sagittarius) was the lagna. Then the Zodiac from the 27 degree of Dhanu to the 27th degree of Mithuna (Gemini) will be the visible part of the Zodiac in this person's chart.
Therefore the remaining half of the Zodiac (from 27degree Mithuna to 27 degree of Dhanu) will be the invisible part of the Zodiac in the persons chart. They are below the horizon and still to rise.
The remaining potion of the Lagna Raashi, the second house, the third house, the fourth house, the fifth house, the sixth house and the already set (below the horizon) part of the seventh house form the invisible part of the Zodiac.

Now here is the fun part.
we will learn here the meaning of 'Ketu effect'

We have seen that the Raashis rise from the East to the West.
But the planets move from the West to the east.
Example: Suppose Dhanu is  rising now, but after two hour Dhanu will have moved towards the west and Makara will be the new Lagna.
But if Chandra were placed in the end of Vrischika then in few minutes it will move to Dhanu which is an eastwards motion.
The is called the Ketu effect.
It is said that due to the rotational motion of the Earth (Prithvi) from the west to the east we are caught in this spin and therefore lose our head and are not able to ditinguish the motion of the Graha is from West to East.
This is very useful in Jyotish as you will find later on in the course that whenever we encounter Ketu we reverse the count of the Raashis from the Zodiacal order to the reverse order.

Q1: Illustrate the two half of the Bhaa chakra in the north Indian Chakra.

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What the Bhaavas indicate?

Post by vivekvshetty » Fri Aug 03, 2007 7:09 pm

The Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra is the most authoritative scripture of Jyotish. It is a dialogue between Maharishi Parashar and his disciple Maitreya.
The 11th chapter of the same deals with the significations of the Bhaavas.

Ch. 11. Judgment of Houses
Maitreya queries:
1. O Mahaarishi Parashara, I have come to know of the evils and antidotes thereof from you. Please tell me, what is to be deduced from each House.
2. Indications of 1st House. Mahaarishi Parashara replies. Physique, appearance, intellect (or the organ of intelligence, i.e. brain), complexion of the body, vigor, weakness, happiness, grief and innate nature are all to be guessed through the ascending Raashi.
3. Indications of 2nd House. Wealth, grains (food etc.), family, death, enemies, metals, precious stones etc. are to be understood through 2nd House.
4. Indications of 3rd House. From 3rd House know of the following: valor, servants (attending etc.), brothers, sisters etc., initiatory instructions (Upadesha), journey and parents death.
5. Indications of 4th House. Conveyances, relatives, mother, happiness, treasure, lands and buildings are to be consulted through 4th House.
6. Indications of 5th House. The learned should deduce from 5th House amulets, sacred spells, learning, knowledge, sons, royalty (or authority), fall of position etc.
7. Indications of 6th House. Maternal uncle, doubts about death, enemies, ulcers, step-mother etc. are to be estimated from 6th House.
8. Indications of 7th House. Wife, travel, trade, loss of sight, death etc. be known from 7th House.
9. Indications of 8th House. 8th House indicates longevity, battle, enemies, forts, wealth of the dead and things, that have happened and are to happen (in the past and future births).
10. Indications of 9th House. Fortunes, wife's brother, religion, brothers wife, visits to shrines etc. be known from 9th House.
11. Indications of 10th House. Royalty (authority), place, profession (livelihood), honour, father, living in foreign lands and debts are to be understood from 10th House.
12. Indications of 11th House. All articles, sons wife, income, prosperity, cattle wealth etc. are to be understood from 11th House.
13. Indications of 12th House. From 12th House, one can know about expenditures, history of enemies, ones own death etc.


Some of the things ascribed to the Bhaavas will seem arcane, but with a little thought we will get the gist of the significations of each Bhaavas.


Q1: list out the core indications of each Bhaava.
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Names of the Bhaavas as given by Parashara.

Post by vivekvshetty » Sun Aug 05, 2007 6:35 pm

Names of the Bhaavas as given by Paraashara.
The following Sloka in BPHS (Brihat Paraashara Hora Sastra) which is the ultimate authority in Jyotish, gives the following names of the Bhaavas.

Chapter
sloka 37-38. Names of Bhavas. Thanu, Dhan, Sahaj, Bandhu, Putr, Ari, Yuvati, Randhr, Dharm, Karma, Labh and Vyaya are in order the names of Bhavas. I explained these briefly and leave it to you to grasp more, according to your intelligence. As delivered by Lord Brahma, some further information is added in the following verses.

Listing it out.
Ist house :Thanu - means the Body.
2nd house:Dhan - means Money.
3rd house:Sahaj - co borns
4th house:bandhu - means Near ones.
5th house:Putr - means son (children).
6th house:Ari - means enemy.
7th house: Yuvati - means a young female (spouse).
8th house:Randhr - means an Opening.
9th house:Dharma - means Religion.
10th house: Karma - means Actions.
11th house:Laabh - means Gain.
12th house:Vyaya - means Loss.

We will in subsequent lessons take up each houses individually and try to discover the other significations of each houses based on the guidelines given by Paraashara and other writers of Jyotish.
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CAN U EXPLAIN IN DETAIL ABOUT THE DEGREES WEN BORN

Post by rajeevrajan » Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:09 pm

SIR, I WANT TO KNOW IT IN DETAIL, ABOUT THE  DEGREEES THAT DEAL WITH LATITUDES N LONGITUDES.HOW DO WE DETERMINE THE FIRST HOUSE IN A HOROSCOPE. IT IS PURELY DETERMINED BY THE RASHI OF A PERSON? OR BY THE DEGREE(THE ABOVE EXAMPLE SAYS ABOUT 27 DEGREES IN DHANUS AND KETU EFFECT ). WAT SIGNIFICANCE THE "DEGREE" HOLDS?SO, IF WE KNOW A RAASHI OF A PERSON, WE CAN DETERMINE THE FIRST HOUSE, AS GIVEN IN BIRTH CHART SHOWN IN LESSON 2)

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Re: CAN U EXPLAIN IN DETAIL ABOUT THE DEGREES WEN BORN

Post by vivekvshetty » Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:41 pm

rajeevrajan wrote:SIR, I WANT TO KNOW IT IN DETAIL, ABOUT THE  DEGREEES THAT DEAL WITH LATITUDES N LONGITUDES.HOW DO WE DETERMINE THE FIRST HOUSE IN A HOROSCOPE. IT IS PURELY DETERMINED BY THE RASHI OF A PERSON? OR BY THE DEGREE(THE ABOVE EXAMPLE SAYS ABOUT 27 DEGREES IN DHANUS AND KETU EFFECT ). WAT SIGNIFICANCE THE "DEGREE" HOLDS?SO, IF WE KNOW A RAASHI OF A PERSON, WE CAN DETERMINE THE FIRST HOUSE, AS GIVEN IN BIRTH CHART SHOWN IN LESSON 2)
Namaskaar Rajeev,
To post queries on this forum you have to register for the course.
Secondly go slow on the caps. To type capitals in a post on the web is like shouting loud.

To answer your query:
Normally lay people in India, when they talk of Raashi they mean the sign where their Chandra was placed when they were born. In the west when they say Sun sign they mean the sign where Surya was placed at the time of their birth.
Lagna, ascendent, 1st house means the Raashi that was rising on the eastern horizon at the time of a persons birth. This has to be calculated by the help of few tables and mathematics. But nowadays there are softwares that do this for you instantaneously, so we are saved this chore and precious time.

To make this more clearer:
Suppose you want to find the 1st house for the time say 12 noon for today and for Mumbai.
if you look up the sunsign then you will find Surya to be in Simha.
So you can be sure that at Sunrise the sign (Raashi) rising on the East will be Simha.
As the day progresses Surya will rise higher in the sky, so after an hour or two the sign risng in the East will be the next sign i.e. Kanya and for any birth occuring at that time will have Kanyaa as the first house and Simha will be the Twelvth house.
After say four hours (10 am approx) Surya will have travelled still further up and the Sign now rising in the East will be Tula and for all births at this time will have Tula as the first house, so Kanya will be the twelvth house and Simha will be the eleventh house.
At noon Surya will be directly overhead and the sign rising on the East will be Vrischika. So this will be the first house for all births at this time and Tula will be the 12th house, Kanya will be the 11th house and Simha with Surya placed in it will be the 10th house.

Thus you see that the first house is the Raashi which was Rising (Ascending) on the Eastern Horizon at the time of birth of that Native (Jaatak).

Hope this is now clear, if not please ask and get your doubts cleared.
Also please register for the course and dont type all your post with caps lock on.

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Special nomenclature.

Post by vivekvshetty » Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:36 pm

Types Of Houses: The Bhaavas are grouped into teams depending on their common properties
1st, 4th, 7th, and 10th =Kendras (called Angles in Western Astrology)
Planets placed in the 1st, 4th, 7th, and 10th houses can become very powerful as these houses give strength and influence the capacity for the reaping of good results to the horoscope. These are the pillars of the Kundali (Horoscope). They are the Vishnu Sthanas (the dwelling place of Lord Vishnu - thePreserver of the universe).
2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th = Panaphara (called Succedent Houses)
The 2nd, 5th, 8th, and 11th houses give firmness, stability, and security to the horoscope. They are the houses representing the future.
3rd, 6th, 9th, and 12th = Apoklima (Cadent Houses).
The 3rd, 6th, 9th, and 12th houses provide communication, consideration, and assessment to the horoscope. They represent the past
1st, 5th, and 9th = Trikona (the Trine Houses).
The 1st, 5th, and 9th houses provde luck, grace, fortune, and blessings. They are called the Laxmi Sthanas (The Place Where the Goddess of wealth dwells).
6th, 8th, and 12th = Trika Sthanas (Troublesome Houses).
The 6th, 8th, and 12th houses indicate the need for change by forcing difficulties upon the native. They are the Malefic houses. Remeber the sixth Bhaava represents the Enemies, The eighth represents diseases and the twelfth again secret enimies and losses.
Houses of Increase: 3rd, 6th, 10th, and 11th = Upachaya Sthanas.
The 3rd, 6th, 10th, and 11th houses give their effects in increasing measures throughout the native's life. the reason for this grouping is already given in some other post in this course.
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Post by Raman Deep Singh » Sat Nov 03, 2007 7:38 am

Dear Vivek and Rahul ji,

Just wanna to ask questions from this old chapter hope you wont mind it coz it is my habbit to
keep on going thru chapters again and again whenever i get time.

1.You have given
Indications of 9th House. Fortunes, wife's brother, religion, brothers wife, visits to shrines etc. be known from 9th House

Q1.Will this wife's brother would be her younger brother ot elder also. I can understand since 9th is
3rd from 7th it should be considerer as wife's brother but was just wondering will it be only younger
brother(coz 3rd is for younger and 11th is for elder brother)or brother in general.

Q2.Almost same question :- broher's wife . So will it be younger bro's wife or wife of brother in general
coz it is 7th from 3rd.

2.Indications of 10th House. Royalty (authority), place, profession (livelihood), honour, father, living in
foreign lands and debts are to be understood from 10th House

Q3. This is something about which i have been thinking for long time and read few articles before asking this question(esp.
the one which has explanation about how to judge relationship with parents-> from the other site).
I can totally understand considering father from this house coz it is 7th from 4th(mother's) house but in many
books and articles 9th house is also considered for the father but here we r considering father from 10th house.
So can you please clear this doubt of mine that actually from where we should actually consider father 9th house or 10th house.

I will be grateful to you for clearing my doubts.

Thanking You
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Post by vivekvshetty » Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:49 pm

Raman Deep Singh wrote:Dear Vivek and Rahul ji,

Just wanna to ask questions from this old chapter hope you wont mind it coz it is my habbit to
keep on going thru chapters again and again whenever i get time.
Thank you for this back handed compliment.

1.You have given
Indications of 9th House. Fortunes, wife's brother, religion, brothers wife, visits to shrines etc. be known from 9th House

Q1.Will this wife's brother would be her younger brother ot elder also. I can understand since 9th is
3rd from 7th it should be considerer as wife's brother but was just wondering will it be only younger
brother(coz 3rd is for younger and 11th is for elder brother)or brother in general.

Maharishi Paraashara has given so much in these slokas that to understand this without proper guidance would be difficult.
It is specific and not general. younger is the 3rd and elder is the eleventh.
There are other advanced concepts for which you have to probe deeper. The question is - was Maharishi referring only to the Raashi chart? and even in the Raashi chart are there other reference points (other than the normal Lagna) from which things have to be judged. We will try to give some hints in this course as it progresses.


Q2.Almost same question :- broher's wife . So will it be younger bro's wife or wife of brother in general
coz it is 7th from 3rd.
Same answer applies here also.

2.Indications of 10th House. Royalty (authority), place, profession (livelihood), honour, father, living in
foreign lands and debts are to be understood from 10th House

Q3. This is something about which i have been thinking for long time and read few articles before asking this question(esp.
the one which has explanation about how to judge relationship with parents-> from the other site).
I can totally understand considering father from this house coz it is 7th from 4th(mother's) house but in many
books and articles 9th house is also considered for the father but here we r considering father from 10th house.
So can you please clear this doubt of mine that actually from where we should actually consider father 9th house or 10th house.

Ninth shows Dharma you inherit by being born in a particular family and so it shows Father. It is the progression of the lineage (9th - 1st - 5th). Surya is the Kaaraka here.
The ninth and the tenth exchange places when they (the parents) come toghether for bringing forth the birth, At that point the tenth being the seventh from the fourth becomes the Father. This is the difference.

I will be grateful to you for clearing my doubts.
Hope we have not cleared your doubts but kindled them more brighter so that there is enough light to see more clearly.
Thanking You
Raman
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Post by Raman Deep Singh » Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:39 am

Dear Vivek ji,
I couldnt understand this statement of yours :-
"The NINTH AND TENTH EXCHANGE places when they (the parents) come toghether for bringing FOURTH the birth, At that point the tenth being the seventh from the fourth becomes the Father. This is the difference. "

I am not able to understand this sentence? Like y 9th and 10th has to come together for birth and y birth of 4th?? Kindly elaborate.

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Raman

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Post by vivekvshetty » Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:15 pm

Raman Deep Singh wrote:Dear Vivek ji,
I couldnt understand this statement of yours :-
"The NINTH AND TENTH EXCHANGE places when they (the parents) come toghether for bringing FOURTH the birth, At that point the tenth being the seventh from the fourth becomes the Father. This is the difference. "
Namaskaar Raman ji,
Firstly throughly understand the meaning of the word 'Bhaava' and all confusion will be put to rest. What means the Lagna? try to understand it by the Hindi equivalent 'Lagan'. It is the constant reminder of the presence which we take as 'I'. This feeling of being present is what is Lagna in the Chart. It is a feeling -a Bhaava.The person you are is the Paaka Lagna (the Raashi where the Lagan lord is placed and you are the Lagna lord

I am not able to understand this sentence? Like y 9th and 10th has to come together for birth and y birth of 4th?? Kindly elaborate.
Now the Bhaava of a Father from you will be of the ninth house (we rarely think of the father as the spouse of the mother) it is a special relationship wherein you are automatically born into the religion of your father (Dharma Bhaava). Also the trine concept comes into play. The Father being the past, you the present and your childrens the future. It is only when the Bhaava of the Father being the Spouse of the Mother and thier union producing a - you, is the concept of the tenth Bhaava representing yuor Father relevant.
So the actual meaning of Bhaava is Concept and we live in a conceptual world.
Rishi Rahul and vivek.


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Post by vivekvshetty » Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:23 pm

Raman Deep Singh wrote:Dear Vivek ji,
I couldnt understand this statement of yours :-
"The NINTH AND TENTH EXCHANGE places when they (the parents) come toghether for bringing FOURTH the birth, At that point the tenth being the seventh from the fourth becomes the Father. This is the difference. "

I am not able to understand this sentence? Like y 9th and 10th has to come together for birth and y birth of 4th?? Kindly elaborate.

Regards
Raman
Namaskaar Raman ji,
there is some oversight in you reading the sentence.
The correct sentence is
The ninth and the tenth exchange places when they (the parents) come toghether for bringing FORTH (it is forth and not 4th, totally different meaning and the cause of your confusion and misunderstanding, look up the original post) the birth, At that point the tenth being the seventh from the fourth becomes the Father. This is the difference.

vivek

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Post by Raman Deep Singh » Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:19 am

Oh Thank you Vivek ji,
Now i have understood the real meaning. I did go thru the ur later mail but cudnt understood it quite clearly so thought may be i have to do it again when my i can understand it better. Its nice to know that u go thru previous mails also.

Thanking You
Raman

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Post by asro » Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:30 pm

Hi Rishiji And Vivekji

In  start of this chapter you have mentioned about the directions the house indicate and if i am not wrong the raashis also indicate the directions.

so my question is how are we to use these directions ??  What do these directions indicate on ones chart (apart from plotting of the charts)?? For eg the lagna shows the east , so the 7H shall indicates  West .So is it right to say (astronomically) that the planets that  occupy the 7th H , were in west at the time of natives birth ?? Or a Planet in 11th H shows he was in Southeast ?? . So now what is  the correlation of these planets to the house  (they occupy) and the native (w.r.t to direction of house)… In short how are we to use the  directions indicated by the various houses ??

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