Flaws of each Raashi in Lagna.

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Flaws of each Raashi in Lagna.

Post by vivekvshetty » Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:32 pm

Namaskaar All,
Since there is a thread in the Vedic Astrology discussion forum on the Kark Lagna and its tendency to give unhappy married life for natives born in it.

We thought of giving a simple rule to find the basic flaw of each Raashi when it becomes the Lagna.

For this you have to imagine the south Indian chart (known as the Brihaspati Chakra).

Keep both the index fingers (of the right as well as the left hand) on Mesha.

This will show Mesha's flaw.

Then move the left index finger to Meena and the right index finger to Vrishabha.
This shows Flaws ot the two Raashis.

Same way for the next Raashi the left index finger is moved Anti-zodiacally and the right index finger is moved Zodiacally.

So when you come to Kark your left index finger will be on Makara. This is the seventh from Kark.

Got it?

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Re: Flaws of each Raashi in Lagna.

Post by vivekvshetty » Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:56 pm

vivekvshetty wrote:Namaskaar All,
Since there is a thread in the Vedic Astrology discussion forum on the Kark Lagna and its tendency to give unhappy married life for natives born in it.

We thought of giving a simple rule to find the basic flaw of each Raashi when it becomes the Lagna.

For this you have to imagine the south Indian chart (known as the Brihaspati Chakra).

Keep both the index fingers (of the right as well as the left hand) on Mesha.

This will show Mesha's flaw.

Then move the left index finger to Meena and the right index finger to Vrishabha.
This shows Flaws ot the two Raashis.

Same way for the next Raashi the left index finger is moved Anti-zodiacally and the right index finger is moved Zodiacally.

So when you come to Kark your left index finger will be on Makara. This is the seventh from Kark.

Got it?

RishiRahul and vivek.
Sadly it seems no one understood or Happiliy everyone did.
or maybe no one cared.

RishiRahul and vivek.

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Post by Raman Deep Singh » Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:15 am

Dear vivek ji,
You have put the point quite clearly and actually it is bit difficult to debate about it coz many (esp. me)may not have realised of this approach before...

First i thought of why we have to go in opposite direction with our left hand relative to out right hand's motion which is going with the zodiac(form mesha to meena) but i think thats the way it should be coz with one hand we are going with the motion of raashis and with other hand(ANTI-clockwise) we r considering it flaws or characters in raashis which r opposite to the raashi our right hand is pointing......

One thought from where have you got onto this approach :-) actually its quite different way of understanding flaws of a raashi.....
When our both hand's fingers are on mesha it means all qualities of mesha are also it flaws....Does this means that mesha is harmful for itself....
some how decisions influnced by mesha raashi(be it lagna , moonsign ..7th house etc...)will(can) end be its own mis calculation also...

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Raman

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Post by vivekvshetty » Sat Apr 26, 2008 3:47 pm

Raman Deep Singh wrote:Dear vivek ji,
You have put the point quite clearly and actually it is bit difficult to debate about it coz many (esp. me)may not have realised of this approach before...

First i thought of why we have to go in opposite direction with our left hand relative to out right hand's motion which is going with the zodiac(form mesha to meena) but i think thats the way it should be coz with one hand we are going with the motion of raashis and with other hand(ANTI-clockwise) we r considering it flaws or characters in raashis which r opposite to the raashi our right hand is pointing......

One thought from where have you got onto this approach :-) actually its quite different way of understanding flaws of a raashi.....
When our both hand's fingers are on mesha it means all qualities of mesha are also it flaws....Does this means that mesha is harmful for itself....
some how decisions influnced by mesha raashi(be it lagna , moonsign ..7th house etc...)will(can) end be its own mis calculation also...

Regards,
Raman
Namaskaar Raman ji,
The knowledge comes from a very good teacher Shri Visti Larsen ji in turn it came to him from the Achyuta tradition.
For Mesha Lagna both index fingers are in itself and so this shows an obsession with labels and Hierarchies. Like for a soldier the Rank is the most important thing. Whenever a Mesha Lagna native approaches a Jyotish for any questions this Label aspect will somehow always creep in. This is a flaw because it leads to magnify certain things and the real problem may be overlooked by the Native.

Same way you may judge for other Lagnas.

This brings us to question what does Lagna mean?

Anyone?

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Post by Raman Deep Singh » Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:41 am

Dear Vivek ji,
Thank You for replying and making me understand this. It is amazing that you try to find out and share reasons for everything in [url=http://mysticboard.org/mb ... logy-suite]astrology[/url].....
Can you explain same thing about Libra also coz in that also both the fingers cum to the same point..Do you think they r also self-obsessed like mesha or you think that they being sign of balance thus making them more balanced and sometimes may be over impassive even in the conditions where they suppose to react also and thus giving people wrong impression or even end up confusing them....Doesnt this makes them putting more stress on public impression in their life.....

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Post by vivekvshetty » Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:11 pm

Raman Deep Singh wrote:Dear Vivek ji,
Thank You for replying and making me understand this. It is amazing that you try to find out and share reasons for everything in astrology.....
Can you explain same thing about Libra also coz in that also both the fingers cum to the same point..Do you think they r also self-obsessed like mesha or you think that they being sign of balance thus making them more balanced and sometimes may be over impassive even in the conditions where they suppose to react also and thus giving people wrong impression or even end up confusing them....Doesnt this makes them putting more stress on public impression in their life.....

Regards,
Raman
Namaskaar Raman ji,
One thing we have learnt is that the Rishis did not formulate anything just for fancy. They had very deep thought behind it and sometimes we understand it sometimes we dont and sometimes it comes in a flash. good teachers aid in this.

Tula lagna also has both index finger in it as per the count. This is also a lable fixation of a different kind. It has more to do with social heirarchies. They are very much into the who's who of the social ladder. This also a flaw because sub-consiouly a tula lagna native is always comparing themselves with everyone else and sometime it gives rise to superiority complex and sometime inferiority complex. She/he has to learn to have an balanced approach.

raman ji, you were very close.

can we have some more flaws discussed?

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Flaws of a rasi

Post by Jagan510 » Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:47 am

Dear Vivekji,

Your mehod is so simple to understand and i think for Aries and Libra Lagna the natives himself are the flaws.Am i right?


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Re: Flaws of each Raashi in Lagna.

Post by gaonkarswapnil » Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:19 pm

vivekvshetty wrote:
vivekvshetty wrote:Namaskaar All,
Since there is a thread in the Vedic Astrology discussion forum on the Kark Lagna and its tendency to give unhappy married life for natives born in it.

We thought of giving a simple rule to find the basic flaw of each Raashi when it becomes the Lagna.

For this you have to imagine the south Indian chart (known as the Brihaspati Chakra).

Keep both the index fingers (of the right as well as the left hand) on Mesha.

This will show Mesha's flaw.

Then move the left index finger to Meena and the right index finger to Vrishabha.
This shows Flaws ot the two Raashis.

Same way for the next Raashi the left index finger is moved Anti-zodiacally and the right index finger is moved Zodiacally.

So when you come to Kark your left index finger will be on Makara. This is the seventh from Kark.

Got it?

RishiRahul and vivek.
Sadly it seems no one understood or Happiliy everyone did.
or maybe no one cared.

RishiRahul and vivek.
Dear Vivek ji

I tried to understand but not able to understand, Sorry.

Can you try to explain it with the help of north indian style as i am not used to south indian style type of chart

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Post by Raman Deep Singh » Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:35 pm

Dear Swapnil,
It does not make much difference whether you r trying to do it using south indian or north indianin north indan just take aries to be in first house

I think before asking you shud try doing it practically..then ask if you dont understand..
Vivek ji has mentioned it quite elaborately..

Draw South indian chart(you can do it using north indain too but since you have said u r not use to using south indian it will
be  a good practice to try little...:-))

Ihere is chapter in starting mentioned about use of both infact 3-4 chart system.
i think u missed that one to ...:-D..
Try going thru it.. You will understand quite easily.

Regards,
Raman

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Post by deepakosho » Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:30 pm

Dear Vivekji and RishiRahulji,

I want to extend the logic. Please forgive me for any mistakes.

Aries - 1st
They are not happy with themselves

Tauras - 11th
They are not happy with their gains.
Can this make them more selfish and discontent to want more ?

Gemini - 9th
They are not happy with their dharma
Can I also say they are not happy with their Father

Karka - 7th
Not happy with spouse and married life.
Can this be also extended to not happy with business partners?

Leo - 5th
Not happy with their children
Not happy with ones own intelligence

Virgo - 3rd
Not happy with their initiatives
Not happy with their strength
Not happy with their younger sibilings

Areas of worries
-----------------
Thula is similar to Aries
Scorpio is similar to Taurus
Sagitarius is similar to Gemini
Capricorn is similar to Cancer
Aquarius is similar to Leo
Pisces is similar to Virgo

Depending on the sign the influence varies.

Aries (Mars, Fire, chara, Male rasi) aggressively fight with others to show his superiority
Vs
Thula (Venus, Air, chara, Male rasi) judging and comparing himself with others

Taurus (Venus, Earth, Sthira, Female rasi) Constantly tries to take action to improve her gain.
Vs
Scorpion (Mars and Ketu, Water, Sthira, Female rasi) Always tends to spread out (Water influence) aggresively (Martian influence) to improve her gain. She is rigid too.

Gemini (Mercury, Air, Dwisbhave, Male Rasi) indecisive and dual idealogy on dharma. Thinks a lot and gets confused.
Vs
Sagitarius dharmic (Jupiter, Fire, Dwisbhave, Male Rasi) He wants to be aggresive yet balanced in his dharma.

Cancer (Moon, Water, Chara, Female rasi) emotionally worried to improve married life. Thinks about improving married life.
Vs
Capricorn (Saturn, Earth, Chara, Female rasi) Takes action, is practical and works hard to improve married life.

Leo dignifiedly (Sun, Fire, Sthira, Male Rasi) Very strict and forces discipline on the children.
Vs
Aquarian (Saturn and rahu, Air, Sthira, Male Rasi) strict and rude with their children

Virgo - (Mercury, Earth, Dwisbhave, Female rasi) - Being a Virgin, her innocence and practical nature causes her not to show her strength.
Vs
Pisces - (Jupiter, Water, Dwisbhave, Female rasi) - Being dharmic, quality to think everybody equally causes her not to show her strength.

As I was writing this a few things were clear and others was not. This is why I added other elements (bhutas, speed and sex of rasi) to help me differentiate the bhavas. Please help me validate them.

Regards,
Deepak
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Post by gaonkarswapnil » Thu Apr 16, 2009 5:55 pm

Dear deepakosho ji

Sorry to interfere even thou i still not able to understand the flaws to confess

How come

Thula is similar to Aries
Scorpio is similar to Taurus
Sagitarius is similar to Gemini
Capricorn is similar to Cancer
Aquarius is similar to Leo
Pisces is similar to Virgo

As far my understanding goes the said rashis similar by you have rashi dristi 7 house apart and as far my thinking if the particular rashis does not have a thing it will desire it opposite to it  


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Post by deepakosho » Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:35 pm

Dear Swapnil,

I am very new here and just trying to think over and post my understanding. They may or may not be correct. I guess we will have to wait for Vivekji and RishiRahulji to reply.

Coming to why I made that statement,

The flaws to the houses are same but the way they deal with the flaw is different (For e.g., Read the Aries and Libra analogy given by Vivekji). The flaw is same, but the approach is different.

Vivekji / Rahulji,

Please read my post and help us clarify.

Regards,
Deepak
gaonkarswapnil wrote:Dear deepakosho ji

Sorry to interfere even thou i still not able to understand the flaws to confess

How come

Thula is similar to Aries
Scorpio is similar to Taurus
Sagitarius is similar to Gemini
Capricorn is similar to Cancer
Aquarius is similar to Leo
Pisces is similar to Virgo

As far my understanding goes the said rashis similar by you have rashi dristi 7 house apart and as far my thinking if the particular rashis does not have a thing it will desire it opposite to it  


Regards

Swapnil

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Post by jigyasu » Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:19 am

nice try deepakosho. may or may not be correct.  i'll try using this. but as we all know there cannot be strict rules coz the cosmos will always have a way to break any certainty.
there are always various other combos. but i mostly like his way of thinking coz i m o the same boat. :D
may or maynot be correct. :)

mostly its a force called hint which i suspect the teachers use to teach here.
so that we can come up with various other stuff.

thank you

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Post by vivekvshetty » Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:57 am

Namaskaar Swapnil ji,
Did you try to find the flaws of the Raashis physically?
Even though it sounds silly, try to do this exercise.
Make a fairly large raashi chart on a paper in the South Indian style. Now put both your index finger on Mesha in the chart. This is the flaw of Mesha.
Now take right index one step forward clockwise and left index finger backwards, anticlock wise. So the left index rests on Meena and the Right index rests on Vrishabha.
So the flaw for Vrishabha is Meena and this is the eleventh bhaava. it has to do this with Gains and hence for people born in Vrishabha Lagna, money is a very important factor and this shows in their life very painfully sometimes. it is not to do with lack of money or something. It has more to do with small matters where they become sensitive about it, wjereas somebody else (with Lagna other than Vrishabha) would not even think about it.
Now come to Meena The flaw of Meena is Vrishabha, this is the third from it and shows a voyeuristic tendency. Secretly they like Pornographic material. Some evolved souls have to overcome this and they do overcome it.

like wise you go on progressing and you will see as to why Vrishabha and Vrischika have similar flaws. As also for the other raashis and the seventh therefrom.
RishiRahul and vivek
gaonkarswapnil wrote:Dear deepakosho ji

Sorry to interfere even thou i still not able to understand the flaws to confess

How come

Thula is similar to Aries
Scorpio is similar to Taurus
Sagitarius is similar to Gemini
Capricorn is similar to Cancer
Aquarius is similar to Leo
Pisces is similar to Virgo

As far my understanding goes the said rashis similar by you have rashi dristi 7 house apart and as far my thinking if the particular rashis does not have a thing it will desire it opposite to it  


Regards

Swapnil

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