Flaws of each Raashi in Lagna.

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Post by jigyasu » Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:24 am

vrishabh lagna = concerned about gains

what about friends?
what about calf muscles, shins?

or we see a direct relation as in people who have stomach related problems will also have problems from their children? (kumbha lagna)?

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Post by vivekvshetty » Sun Apr 19, 2009 2:08 pm

Namaskaar Jigyasu ji,
We think that this is a bit off track.
The flaw we are talking about here is something which is a inborn characteristic of the native. Even the native may not be aware of it till reminded. it has nothing to do with health and also children or any other relationship.
Like for example Dhanu lagna people have this 'foot in the mouth habit. people close to them are painfully aware of this, having been at the receiving end sometime or the other.
Dhanu's flaw is the ninth , Simha. They have this habit of speaking brutal truth about others, without a second thought as to how it effects the person concerned.
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jigyasu wrote:vrishabh lagna = concerned about gains

what about friends?
what about calf muscles, shins?

or we see a direct relation as in people who have stomach related problems will also have problems from their children? (kumbha lagna)?

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Post by jigyasu » Sun Apr 19, 2009 4:42 pm

sir
with dhanu - simha the 9th from it. why u chose nothing from dharma, father, teacher, thighs or govt, hills?

from what domain we can select from in this particular technique?

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Post by gaonkarswapnil » Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:16 pm

vivekvshetty wrote:Namaskaar Swapnil ji,
Did you try to find the flaws of the Raashis physically?
Even though it sounds silly, try to do this exercise.
Make a fairly large raashi chart on a paper in the South Indian style. Now put both your index finger on Mesha in the chart. This is the flaw of Mesha.
Now take right index one step forward clockwise and left index finger backwards, anticlock wise. So the left index rests on Meena and the Right index rests on Vrishabha.
So the flaw for Vrishabha is Meena and this is the eleventh bhaava. it has to do this with Gains and hence for people born in Vrishabha Lagna, money is a very important factor and this shows in their life very painfully sometimes. it is not to do with lack of money or something. It has more to do with small matters where they become sensitive about it, wjereas somebody else (with Lagna other than Vrishabha) would not even think about it.
Now come to Meena The flaw of Meena is Vrishabha, this is the third from it and shows a voyeuristic tendency. Secretly they like Pornographic material. Some evolved souls have to overcome this and they do overcome it.

like wise you go on progressing and you will see as to why Vrishabha and Vrischika have similar flaws. As also for the other raashis and the seventh therefrom.
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gaonkarswapnil wrote:Dear deepakosho ji

Sorry to interfere even thou i still not able to understand the flaws to confess

How come

Thula is similar to Aries
Scorpio is similar to Taurus
Sagitarius is similar to Gemini
Capricorn is similar to Cancer
Aquarius is similar to Leo
Pisces is similar to Virgo

As far my understanding goes the said rashis similar by you have rashi dristi 7 house apart and as far my thinking if the particular rashis does not have a thing it will desire it opposite to it  


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Swapnil
Dear Vivek ji

I understood the concept to find out flaws thanks for the example you mentioned as earlier i tried it was not getting any thing

Also found that it is possible with diamond chart too, only things is to count the bhavas anticlock wise for the respective fingers placed

And i also thank deepakosho ji for explaining flaws in details

I would like to ask one thing here that does this rule applies irrespective of placement of lagna lord and moon

And also you have asked about the question on what does lagna mean no one answerd that please expalin this too

I only know lagna means sign rising in east at the time of birth

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Swapnil

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Post by prasanna » Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:03 am

The Sign rising on the Eastern horizon at the time of Birth, from the Birth place,  has a major part to play  in human life which is refered as Lagna or Ascendant.

Jenma lagna deetermines the type of body, general health, longevity, as well as apparent traits of a person visible to the world.


Lagna is also a word we hear at the time of Marriage between a Man and a Women, in other words a Union of the two souls, both on Physical and on Spiritual Plane given the

stamp or signature of Nature as witness, along with the 5 elements.
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Post by vivekvshetty » Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:00 pm

Namaskaar Jigyasu ji,
An apt name you have chosen as your login, if we may say so.
We have tried to explain this before, maybe we could not express ourselves clearly.
The flaws we are exploring here are (if we may call it so) quirks which everyone has. This is a personal or subjective thing. we may say it is a psychological kink in the personal armor of the person. This makes her/him act in a certain way and hence affects those around.
The ninth is the Bhaava of Dharma and Surya is Truth. Dhanu again is the natural ninth Bhaava, this too much emphasis on Truth is not a good thing in normal day to day life.
Mithuna has the same flaw but is expressed in another way. Can you attempt a guess on it?
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jigyasu wrote:sir
with dhanu - simha the 9th from it. why u chose nothing from dharma, father, teacher, thighs or govt, hills?

from what domain we can select from in this particular technique?

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Post by vivekvshetty » Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:12 pm

Namaskaar Swapnil ji,
this flaw is independent of any other thing in a chart but as usual it is modified by other factors to a certain extent.
Rishirahul and vivek.
gaonkarswapnil wrote: Dear Vivek ji

I understood the concept to find out flaws thanks for the example you mentioned as earlier i tried it was not getting any thing

Also found that it is possible with diamond chart too, only things is to count the bhavas anticlock wise for the respective fingers placed

And i also thank deepakosho ji for explaining flaws in details

I would like to ask one thing here that does this rule applies irrespective of placement of lagna lord and moon

And also you have asked about the question on what does lagna mean no one answerd that please expalin this too

I only know lagna means sign rising in east at the time of birth

Regards

Swapnil

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Post by vivekvshetty » Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:24 pm

Namaskaar Prasanna ji,
we hope you are well and enjoying your trip to the US.
Coming to the post, we want to know the meaning of the word Lagna or maybe as they say in the North of India Lagan.
what is this Lagan?
RishiRahul and vivek.
prasanna wrote:The Sign rising on the Eastern horizon at the time of Birth, from the Birth place,  has a major part to play  in human life which is refered as Lagna or Ascendant.

Jenma lagna deetermines the type of body, general health, longevity, as well as apparent traits of a person visible to the world.


Lagna is also a word we hear at the time of Marriage between a Man and a Women, in other words a Union of the two souls, both on Physical and on Spiritual Plane given the

stamp or signature of Nature as witness, along with the 5 elements.

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Post by prasanna » Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:54 pm

Namskaar V ivekji & Rishiji,


             Iam doing good and enjoying very well my US trip by visitting various places with my family now.



To my knowldge If U ask me about the word meaning Lagan,  I could say it is involvement, Attachement, to some extent passion., bondage.So our birth time which is known as Lagan or Lagna is the time when our soul gets attachement with a  body gets the shape of  present human birth. From there our journey begins at this earth., which has conectivity with our past Karma. So I think, Lagan means , conection, attachement, involvement, and purpose. I dont know whether I am defining rite or not ? Correct me if I am wrong and please explain the concept of Lagan.


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Post by vivekvshetty » Mon Apr 20, 2009 5:14 pm

Namaskaar Prasanna ji,
At last someone is on the right track. Prasanna ji, keep going and you will find it. it is in you.
RishiRahul and vivek.
prasanna wrote:Namskaar V ivekji & Rishiji,


             Iam doing good and enjoying very well my US trip by visitting various places with my family now.



To my knowldge If U ask me about the word meaning Lagan,  I could say it is involvement, Attachement, to some extent passion., bondage.So our birth time which is known as Lagan or Lagna is the time when our soul gets attachement with a  body gets the shape of  present human birth. From there our journey begins at this earth., which has conectivity with our past Karma. So I think, Lagan means , conection, attachement, involvement, and purpose. I dont know whether I am defining rite or not ? Correct me if I am wrong and please explain the concept of Lagan.


Regards,

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Post by prasanna » Mon Apr 20, 2009 5:23 pm

Thanks  a lot for telling me I  understood the term rite.,  Vivekji.  I  Thank GOd  too for making me understand this .



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Post by vivekvshetty » Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:29 pm

Namaskaar Prasanna ji,
The understanding is not perfect, but you are very close. Dont stop just now. Pursue it further.
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prasanna wrote:Thanks  a lot for telling me I  understood the term rite.,  Vivekji.  I  Thank GOd  too for making me understand this .



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Post by prasanna » Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:13 am

Namaskaar Vivekji,


         As U said iam very close to the concept of  Lagan, I thought of writing further about this. I felt Lagan means deeper attachement.. So, the predestined  or predetermined time set by our creator must be LAGAN. SOUL IS ETERNAL. Each soul takes its human  shape according to destiny., which is destined by GOd. Noone can choose his own time of birth, place of birth. Likewise we cant choose our parents, parents cant choose their children. Everything lies in the hands of Creator.We always see many children born at the same place same time but to different parents and different family with different family back grounds.  From this we can know every birth is taking place according to the past karma.  Our birth chart is  the mannual which follows us along with our birth, as we see, a  mannual along with every item we buy in the market., so that we are able to operate that particular item properly.  So our Lagan kundali is  just like an operating mannual, or waranty  card provided by GOD to us. So I say Lagan is  just   the indicator of  our  time of manufacturing, which deals with our worldly  attachements,  desires, expectations,  values, etc etc. and  which even includes our date of expiry too . I always read and felt, every Soul takes re birth inorder to fulfill its past birth desires and its attachement. So I conclude , Lagan must be the appropiriate time set for our soul to take re birth ,  by GOD.  Sorry,  I compared our Birth chart with waranty mannual.

           Iam still doubtful about my explanations to the term LAGAN. I request U , Vivekji, correct me if Iam wrong and please explain the meaning of LAGAN in your  words.


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Post by vivekvshetty » Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:27 pm

Namaskaar Prasanna ji,
We were hoping that other learners will pitch in. Let us wait.
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prasanna wrote:Namaskaar Vivekji,


         As U said iam very close to the concept of  Lagan, I thought of writing further about this. I felt Lagan means deeper attachement.. So, the predestined  or predetermined time set by our creator must be LAGAN. SOUL IS ETERNAL. Each soul takes its human  shape according to destiny., which is destined by GOd. Noone can choose his own time of birth, place of birth. Likewise we cant choose our parents, parents cant choose their children. Everything lies in the hands of Creator.We always see many children born at the same place same time but to different parents and different family with different family back grounds.  From this we can know every birth is taking place according to the past karma.  Our birth chart is  the mannual which follows us along with our birth, as we see, a  mannual along with every item we buy in the market., so that we are able to operate that particular item properly.  So our Lagan kundali is  just like an operating mannual, or waranty  card provided by GOD to us. So I say Lagan is  just   the indicator of  our  time of manufacturing, which deals with our worldly  attachements,  desires, expectations,  values, etc etc. and  which even includes our date of expiry too . I always read and felt, every Soul takes re birth inorder to fulfill its past birth desires and its attachement. So I conclude , Lagan must be the appropiriate time set for our soul to take re birth ,  by GOD.  Sorry,  I compared our Birth chart with waranty mannual.

           Iam still doubtful about my explanations to the term LAGAN. I request U , Vivekji, correct me if Iam wrong and please explain the meaning of LAGAN in your  words.


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Post by deepakosho » Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:50 pm

Dear Vivekji and Rahulji,

I wrote this analogy earlier and I am not sure how much they are valid. Can you please let me know if they are valid?

Om Tat Sat,
Deepak
deepakosho wrote:Dear Vivekji and RishiRahulji,

I want to extend the logic. Please forgive me for any mistakes.

Aries - 1st
They are not happy with themselves

Tauras - 11th
They are not happy with their gains.
Can this make them more selfish and discontent to want more ?

Gemini - 9th
They are not happy with their dharma
Can I also say they are not happy with their Father

Karka - 7th
Not happy with spouse and married life.
Can this be also extended to not happy with business partners?

Leo - 5th
Not happy with their children
Not happy with ones own intelligence

Virgo - 3rd
Not happy with their initiatives
Not happy with their strength
Not happy with their younger sibilings

Areas of worries
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Thula is similar to Aries
Scorpio is similar to Taurus
Sagitarius is similar to Gemini
Capricorn is similar to Cancer
Aquarius is similar to Leo
Pisces is similar to Virgo

Depending on the sign the influence varies.

Aries (Mars, Fire, chara, Male rasi) aggressively fight with others to show his superiority
Vs
Thula (Venus, Air, chara, Male rasi) judging and comparing himself with others

Taurus (Venus, Earth, Sthira, Female rasi) Constantly tries to take action to improve her gain.
Vs
Scorpion (Mars and Ketu, Water, Sthira, Female rasi) Always tends to spread out (Water influence) aggresively (Martian influence) to improve her gain. She is rigid too.

Gemini (Mercury, Air, Dwisbhave, Male Rasi) indecisive and dual idealogy on dharma. Thinks a lot and gets confused.
Vs
Sagitarius dharmic (Jupiter, Fire, Dwisbhave, Male Rasi) He wants to be aggresive yet balanced in his dharma.

Cancer (Moon, Water, Chara, Female rasi) emotionally worried to improve married life. Thinks about improving married life.
Vs
Capricorn (Saturn, Earth, Chara, Female rasi) Takes action, is practical and works hard to improve married life.

Leo dignifiedly (Sun, Fire, Sthira, Male Rasi) Very strict and forces discipline on the children.
Vs
Aquarian (Saturn and rahu, Air, Sthira, Male Rasi) strict and rude with their children

Virgo - (Mercury, Earth, Dwisbhave, Female rasi) - Being a Virgin, her innocence and practical nature causes her not to show her strength.
Vs
Pisces - (Jupiter, Water, Dwisbhave, Female rasi) - Being dharmic, quality to think everybody equally causes her not to show her strength.

As I was writing this a few things were clear and others was not. This is why I added other elements (bhutas, speed and sex of rasi) to help me differentiate the bhavas. Please help me validate them.

Regards,
Deepak

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