lesson 17 planetary motions.

[vivekvshetty]

The inferior grahas (Shukra and Budha) are a bit different in that they may be between Surya and Earth or they may be the other side of the Surya and still be seen as combust (Actually the Combust grahas are not seen due to the glare of Surya).

If they are between Surya and Earth and close to the longitude of Surya they are said to be in Inferior conjunction. Technically speaking the graha is causing a eclipse of Surya here.

If the Surya is between the inferior Graha and Earth then it is called Superior conjunction. Technically this is a clear cut case of combustion.
For a better understanding, see the Attachment.

[vivekvshetty]

Namaskaar All,
We hope some learner will similarly post about the motion of Chandra W.R.T conjunction and opposition to Surya.
RishiRahul and vivek.

[mysbcrs]

Namaskaar Vivekji/Rishiji,

I have attached a file with images extracted from the document that you had provided on Indian Calendars. This explains the motion of Moon wrt to Earth and Sun. Hope this is what you were expecting.

CRS

[vivekvshetty]

Namaskaar CRS ji,
Yes this is what we were looking for.
Learners will see that Chandra has inferior conjunction only with Surya. This is Amaavasya. The opposition is akin to the retrograde motion of the superior Graha.
RishiRahul and vivek.

Namaskaar Vivekji/Rishiji,

I have attached a file with images extracted from the document that you had provided on Indian Calendars. This explains the motion of Moon wrt to Earth and Sun. Hope this is what you were expecting.

CRS

[vivekvshetty]

A graha is said to be Asta when in close proximity to Surya. The Surya Siddhanta (a Classic book on Astronomical calculations said to be authored bt Surya himself) gives the following Orbs for each Grahas.

Mangal within 17 degrees either side of Surya.
Guru  within 11 degrees either side of Surya.
Shani within 15 degrees either side of Surya.
Budha within 14 degrees either side of Surya and
         within 12 degrees either side of Surya when Vakri.
Shukra within 10 degrees either side of Surya and
          within 8 degrees either side of Surya when Vakri.

Added to this some traditions hold that Shukra is not to be taken as combust when Vakri because it is the only Graha that rotates fro the east to the west on its axis, (sun rises in the west and sets in the east for Shukra).

RishiRahul and vivek.

[vivekvshetty]

Namaskaar all,
A Graha in combustion can be likened to someone undergoing a purificatory process. This is to make the qualities of the Graha more purer. It is like being melted and removing of the impurities to make it more Pure. Hence a Graha in combustion is not comfortable and it gives issues for the native to deal with. Like for example Budha may give issues relating to speech, it makes the native somewhat harsh in speech. Shukra's combustion is like the burning of Kaamadeva (eros in Hindu mythology) by Shiva's third eye. Mangal will give temper issues. Guru is said to give issues relating to learning, it is said to be like melting Gold to make it purer. Shani's combustion is not good for Father - child relationship.
There is much more to this.

RishiRahul and vivek.

[vivekvshetty]

A Graha which is approaching the same longitude of Surya, meaning it is in the first leg of its combustion will give the burning effect and this tends to be harsh.
Whereas a Graha already past the conjunction with Surya and moving away will give the beneficial results of spiritual renewal and and material benefits. This shows that the person is trying to overcome the evil effects of the combustion.

Surya is the centre of this phenomenon and hence a great deal of importance is given to the Raashi it is placed. Surya is the overlord of the Raashis and he takes 12 forms in the 12 Raashis. These forms are called the Dwaadasha Aaditya.
A Grahas conjunction (combustion) with Surya will be colored by the particular Aaditya of the Sign.

The Aadityaas of the 12 Raashis are:
Mesha: Dhaataa
Vrishabha:Aryama
Mithuna:Mitra
Karka:Aruna
Simha:Indra
Kanyaa:Vivasvan
Tula:Poosha
Vrischika:Parjanya  
Dhanu:Anshumaan
Makara:Bhaga
Kumbha:Tvasttaa
Meena:Vishnu

RishiRahul and vivek.

[vivekvshetty]

The following info on the 12 Aadityas are from Pt. Sanjay Rath ji's article in the Magazine- Jyotish Digest.
1.Dhata (Also called Savitur) - Shows the power of creation which comes from words. It is the Omkaar.
A strong desire to create the perfect world.

2.Aryamaana - Generosity and nobility. He is the greatest blesseras he really knows to bless.

3.Mitra - Shows chivalry, constancy and friendship. The name itself suggests that friendship becomes important to the person. You will find these people in  espousing vegetarianism, they want to get rid of cruelty of any kind so, the peta, Human rights social causes will get them involved.

4.Aruna (Varuna) - Power of punishment and blessings too. does not tolerate breaking of social and personal laws.

5.Indra (Sakra) - Ruling power that is a result of knowledge and courage.

6.Vivasvaan - power of service and purity. The tilling of soil and the growing of food.

7.Pusaan - The power of change, questions and their intercourse leading to prosperity.

8.Parjanya - Power of transformation and skills in rituals (secret). Sometimes very radical ways may be adopted to bring about the desired transformation by these people.

9.Amsa (Ansumaan)- Power of Justice, fairness and sharing.

10.Bhaaga - Power of labour giving due earnings.

11.Tvastaa - power of skill in work and new innovations leading to higher gains.

12.Vishnu - power of renunciation leading to truth and universal laws.

Pundit ji has tried to put the qualities in a nutshell, to know more on the Aadityas do read up in the various scriptures, of which at present Google is the one most widely read.

RishiRahul and vivek.

[angelic_devil]

sir,

will the funda be same if instead of debilation the planet is in maran sthaana.

This is a deeper level of understanding of Vakra gati from SJC Guru Visti Larsen ji,
We request the learners to please read this post quiet a few times. This is a very important principle.

When we go deeper into retrogression we can no longer settle with simply recognizing two motions of planets, namely Direct vs. Retrograde, but must now consider THREE motions
namely:
Direct - Chara (rajasic state)
Stationary - dvisvabhava (sattvic state)
Retrograde - sthira (tamasic state)

Here we are taught in the tradition that the stationary position is a state of recharging, where the nature of the planets will indicate whether they are
1) meditating (sattvic grahas);
2) scheming (rajasic grahas);
3) sleeping (tamasic grahas).

Naturally not all the planets can achieve these three states, and hence we are talking of five grahas namely:
Sattvic: Jupiter.
Rajasic: Mercury and Venus.
Tamasic: Saturn and Mars.
Here the initial direct motion of the grahas shows them moving towards achieving their desires, and when they gradually slow down towards stationary they begin to loose their energy and whichever yogas associated with them, until they become completely helpless/inactive when in
stationary itself.
Having come out of the stationary position and begin their retrogression they are all eager to achieve their desires with new found strength, however, the tamasic grahas coming out of their slumber can be utterly destructive and can completely devastate their house position due to the
intense anger/sorrow they have suffered from loosing their abilities during their stationary position.
As a result the worst placement for tamasic grahas during their retrogression is i) their own sign and ii) exaltation.
Hence, such a position of a tamasic graha should not be in kendra or trikona as they will devastate their signs position.
So we can infer: a retrograde malefic/tamasic graha is like a curse when in own sign/exaltation and in the beneficial houses i.e. kendra and trikona, as it completely devastates these houses.
Whereas his placement in dusthana when in own sign/exaltation will act like a vipareet raja yoga and destroy enemies.
Opposite will happen in his debilitation sign.

Now, a benefic planet be it sattvic or rajasic will carry somewhat different characteristics. The sattvic Jupiter is like a sage coming out of meditation and is eager to bless the world with mantras, knowledge, etc. As a result he is in a very giving mood and if he is placed in his sign of debilitation there is NO GIVING as he has nothing to give. Yes, he is aiming towards exaltation as that is his desire, but how much of this can he give?

Similarly the rajasic planets are aiming towards growth and prosperity, but without money (debilitation) how will they grow?

Hence when a BENEFIC is retrograde, then his placement in debilitation is ONLY auspicious when in Dusthana. Otherwise in kendra or trikona he will act like a curse.
Opposite will happen in the exaltation sign.

Now, there is more to consider here such as the INTENSITY of the retrogression, as a planet who is ending his retrogression has his desires fulfilled and will not be as destructive, whilst one who has just begun is full of energy and desires.

[vivekvshetty]

Namaskaar,
Try to list out the fundas for us as per your understanding as also your understanding of neecha and Maranakaaraka.
Then we may be able to proceed further.
Rishirahul and vivek.

sir,

will the funda be same if instead of debilation the planet is in maran sthaana.

This is a deeper level of understanding of Vakra gati from SJC Guru Visti Larsen ji,
We request the learners to please read this post quiet a few times. This is a very important principle.

When we go deeper into retrogression we can no longer settle with simply recognizing two motions of planets, namely Direct vs. Retrograde, but must now consider THREE motions
namely:
Direct - Chara (rajasic state)
Stationary - dvisvabhava (sattvic state)
Retrograde - sthira (tamasic state)

Here we are taught in the tradition that the stationary position is a state of recharging, where the nature of the planets will indicate whether they are
1) meditating (sattvic grahas);
2) scheming (rajasic grahas);
3) sleeping (tamasic grahas).

Naturally not all the planets can achieve these three states, and hence we are talking of five grahas namely:
Sattvic: Jupiter.
Rajasic: Mercury and Venus.
Tamasic: Saturn and Mars.
Here the initial direct motion of the grahas shows them moving towards achieving their desires, and when they gradually slow down towards stationary they begin to loose their energy and whichever yogas associated with them, until they become completely helpless/inactive when in
stationary itself.
Having come out of the stationary position and begin their retrogression they are all eager to achieve their desires with new found strength, however, the tamasic grahas coming out of their slumber can be utterly destructive and can completely devastate their house position due to the
intense anger/sorrow they have suffered from loosing their abilities during their stationary position.
As a result the worst placement for tamasic grahas during their retrogression is i) their own sign and ii) exaltation.
Hence, such a position of a tamasic graha should not be in kendra or trikona as they will devastate their signs position.
So we can infer: a retrograde malefic/tamasic graha is like a curse when in own sign/exaltation and in the beneficial houses i.e. kendra and trikona, as it completely devastates these houses.
Whereas his placement in dusthana when in own sign/exaltation will act like a vipareet raja yoga and destroy enemies.
Opposite will happen in his debilitation sign.

Now, a benefic planet be it sattvic or rajasic will carry somewhat different characteristics. The sattvic Jupiter is like a sage coming out of meditation and is eager to bless the world with mantras, knowledge, etc. As a result he is in a very giving mood and if he is placed in his sign of debilitation there is NO GIVING as he has nothing to give. Yes, he is aiming towards exaltation as that is his desire, but how much of this can he give?

Similarly the rajasic planets are aiming towards growth and prosperity, but without money (debilitation) how will they grow?

Hence when a BENEFIC is retrograde, then his placement in debilitation is ONLY auspicious when in Dusthana. Otherwise in kendra or trikona he will act like a curse.
Opposite will happen in the exaltation sign.

Now, there is more to consider here such as the INTENSITY of the retrogression, as a planet who is ending his retrogression has his desires fulfilled and will not be as destructive, whilst one who has just begun is full of energy and desires.

[mysbcrs]

Namaskaar Vivekji,

A Grahas conjunction (combustion) with Surya will be colored by the particular Aaditya of the Sign.

Combustion is associated with negativity in terms of results that the planet gives. I could not find any negativity in the descriptions of the Adityas. Can you pls illustrate your quoted statement above with an example, say combustion of Budha in Mesha?

CRS

[vivekvshetty]

Namaskaar CRS ji,
Due to time constrains i could not reply to your query earlier.

i wuold be happy if anybody could share any birthdata fitting the example a
asked by you, as i dont seem to have any horoscope matching it.

Still let us try.
Budha is learner and its placement in Mesha and combusted. This depends on whether Budha is before or after Surya.
Aaditya is Dhata or Savitur. this is the creator of the Word and the word created the world.
This can be a problem for learning as we tend to learn formally through words only. Or it may show someone who coins new terms which becomes part of the lexicon later on.
only a real life chart will help us confirm and fine tune our inference. We are searching for an example chart and as soon as we get one we will share our thoughts.

Rishirahul and vivek.

Namaskaar Vivekji,

A Grahas conjunction (combustion) with Surya will be colored by the particular Aaditya of the Sign.

Combustion is associated with negativity in terms of results that the planet gives. I could not find any negativity in the descriptions of the Adityas. Can you pls illustrate your quoted statement above with an example, say combustion of Budha in Mesha?

CRS

[mysbcrs]

Dhanyavaad Vivekji,

i wuold be happy if anybody could share any birthdata fitting the example a
asked by you, as i dont seem to have any horoscope matching it.

Can you pls explain on combustion of Mars in this native whom I know personally?

1st May 1966, Hubli 03:30 am.

CRS

[vivekvshetty]

Nmamaskaar CRS ji,
Mangal and Surya in conjunction shows too much heat. The Raashi also of Agni Tatwa  and hence temper and anger issues will have to be dealt with.  Surya is moving away from Mangal and hence this will recede as time goes by.
The Bhaava is the third and the problem may be relating siblings, ears, initiatives and other things ruled by the third bhaava.
The Aaditya is Savitur and hence it again shows heat. This is the word which started the creation process and hence there is a danger of wrongly reciting some mantras and hence experiencing severe problems.
Your feed back awaited.

vivek

Dhanyavaad Vivekji,

i wuold be happy if anybody could share any birthdata fitting the example a
asked by you, as i dont seem to have any horoscope matching it.

Can you pls explain on combustion of Mars in this native whom I know personally?

1st May 1966, Hubli 03:30 am.

CRS

[mysbcrs]

Namaskaar Vivekji,

The native is a female, unmarried. The TOB is not rectified. I will broefly mention whatever I know of her.

1. Mentally disturbed. Was under treatment without her knowledge (administered thru food). She discovered it and stopped it altogethar. Last 4/5 years have been very bad. Just a few days back she again consented to continue treatment and is better. But this is just drug induced normalcy.
2. Manifestations of her disturbance - Hates her parents, siblings. Aggressive speech (only to them or about them), locks herself up for days without eating etc., throwing away household articles to spite them etc.
3. In her Ma MD she fell in love with someone which did not translate into marriage.
4. She has at times hinted that she is in communion with multiple Gurus

As the TOB is not rectified, I am adding a few other info that may help if necessary.

1. TOB error margin less than 2 hours.
2. She has two male siblings, one elder and one younger.
3. She used to teach off and on
4. Her father was also a teacher for a living and was into healing as service.
5. Mother - home maker. She hates her mother the most.

CRS

Nmamaskaar CRS ji,
Mangal and Surya in conjunction shows too much heat. The Raashi also of Agni Tatwa  and hence temper and anger issues will have to be dealt with.  Surya is moving away from Mangal and hence this will recede as time goes by.
The Bhaava is the third and the problem may be relating siblings, ears, initiatives and other things ruled by the third bhaava.
The Aaditya is Savitur and hence it again shows heat. This is the word which started the creation process and hence there is a danger of wrongly reciting some mantras and hence experiencing severe problems.
Your feed back awaited.

vivek

mysbcrs wrote:
Dhanyavaad Vivekji,

Quote:
i wuold be happy if anybody could share any birthdata fitting the example a
asked by you, as i dont seem to have any horoscope matching it.


Can you pls explain on combustion of Mars in this native whom I know personally?

1st May 1966, Hubli 03:30 am.

CRS