LESSON 4.1 Mercury, Gemini, Virgo, 3rd and 6th Houses

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LESSON 4.1 Mercury, Gemini, Virgo, 3rd and 6th Houses

Post by Youdah » Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:04 pm

In this lesson, we are going to start learning about that lesson's subjects all at once, instead of spreading them out over different sections for the houses, planets and sun signs.  

I'll talk about these a little more later.  But, today, I'm pressed for time, so I'm just going to post the graphics, and ask you to start doing your research on these things.  The graphics are for your index cards and notebooks.

Why would Mercury be combined with Gemini, Virgo, the 3rd and 6th Houses?  Why is Gemini and Virgo combined at all?  And why combine the 3rd House and 6th House into one lesson?  How are these things related to each other?

Hint:  we are doing something entirely new and different this week.
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Post by Youdah » Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:08 pm

And, the planet that rules them all...mercury.
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Post by soulsearch » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:38 pm

Okay heres what I have been mostly thinking ( since it was indeed Wednesday) and the air element is really high !

Making links from your notes:
Mercury-Communication,Earth,Cold and Dry

Gemini-Thinking,Air,Masculine
3rd House-Social and Intellect /Interactions with near and dear ones

Virgo-I serve/Mutable/Feminine
6th house-Daily life/Work environment/health on a daily basis/desire to improve
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Taking Wiki's help again
The assignments of the ruling planets appear to be based upon the seasons in the Northern Hemisphere, as the sun and moon, the principal bearers of light and heat, were awarded to Leo and Cancer, respectively since the months the sun passed through these signs (in ancient times) were the warmest and had the longest days.
Conversely, Saturn, the most distant (and hence the "coldest") of the planets known to ancients, was accorded the rulership of Aquarius and Capricorn, the signs opposite Leo and Cancer, respectively.
Jupiter, being next furthest away, was given the signs on either side of Aquarius and Capricorn (Pisces and Sagittarius), and Mars, next in order, received the next two (Aries and Scorpio).
Since Mercury never appears more than one sign from the sun in either direction, it was deemed to rule the two signs on either side of Leo and Cancer (Virgo and Gemini), and since Venus can never be found more than two signs from the Sun, it obtained the rulership of Libra and Taurus.
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Gemini is the natural domicile of the third.It also indicates sibling whom we interact (air/gemini) with daily ( brother and sisters).The third house also indicates effort.

6th house represents the area where we serve. Could be our office or work environment ( Virgo ).It also indicates health issues.

Our service area/office  becomes the 4th to the 3rd. It could be the area where we do feel peaceful.

Also since it was a Wednesday yesterday I did think about the combinations of the 3rd and 6th but to be creative ( 5th house) the other indicators of the 5th house ( children) somehow get also get activated lol and 5th being 12 to 6th...somehow dont let me reach my temp office...:)

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Post by Youdah » Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:33 am

Remember our discussions about the chart as a journey?  Or, each Sign building upon the sign before it?

The realm of the 3rd House becomes expressed in the 6th through mercury.  Does your interaction with brother, sisters, later become expressed with coworkers and other areas of the 6th when older?

Things you learned (mercury) in the 3rd House, as an "apprentice" (3rd House), with perfection and practice (Virgo) become expressed in the 6th House (work and life endeavors).

Also, do you see that the 3rd/6th Houses, begin a "pattern" that is completed with the 9th and 12th?  (a square pattern).

Does that help you start to see how all these things are related?

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Post by soulsearch » Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:22 am

Yes interactions with siblings def shape/thoughts ( Gemini-Air) express in our interactions with our co-workers( Virgo-Earth)

I see the 3-6-9-12 pattern as the square.
Air-Earth-Fire-Water
Yang-Yin-Yang-Yin
All Cadent
All Mutable.
The signs of last month of season.
The area of challenge and efforts. Change and adaption??



Youdah wrote:Remember our discussions about the chart as a journey?  Or, each Sign building upon the sign before it?

The realm of the 3rd House becomes expressed in the 6th through mercury.  Does your interaction with brother, sisters, later become expressed with coworkers and other areas of the 6th when older?

Things you learned (mercury) in the 3rd House, as an "apprentice" (3rd House), with perfection and practice (Virgo) become expressed in the 6th House (work and life endeavors).

Also, do you see that the 3rd/6th Houses, begin a "pattern" that is completed with the 9th and 12th?  (a square pattern).

Does that help you start to see how all these things are related?

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Post by Youdah » Thu Nov 06, 2008 5:19 am

Yes, yes yes!  

I am impressed!  You got that!  

Anything related to the 3rd House, is going to go through the sequence of 6/9/12th House expressions as the native, thing, subject "grows" or "completes" anything!  The "vehicle" that carries that growth or completion is going to be seen through mercury, and wherever else it may be located in the chart.  The 3/6/9/12 Houses are all Cadent and Mutable.  This grouping is a little more unusual than previous lessons, because mercury is the "lord" or ruler of 3/6 and Gemini/Virgo when below the horizon, but above the horizon, this group goes to Jupiter/Neptune with Sagittarius/Pisces.

When I say that mercury is the vehicle that carries this, I mean the beginning expressions of it.  You''ll see the mercury influence carried all the way through this little group, although mercury is no longer the "lord" or "ruler" when this energy gets to the 9th house - 12th House.

It's very important to understand this sequence/grouping.  At this point in the chart, we can no longer say that everything "means" just about the same thing as everything else in that group as we could say in previous lessons.  They are "related" but in entirely different ways because this group of houses, signs, and planets are getting more complex than simply meaning about the same thing.  This begins "development," growth cycles, beginning to apply and express what has been learned and ruled by the Sun and Moon.  

If the 6th House is everyday health, then where do the roots of that health begin?  The 3rd house, with Gemini and mercury.

Our chores, our jobs, are ruled by the 6th house, but these things began in the 3rd house development and learning...and are continued with the 9th House of "higher education" and into the 12th which is wisdom beyond simply repeating what has been learned.  

To apply this to the American school systems: 3rd House would be grandes 1-6.  Junior and Senior High Schools grades 7-12 are 6th House.  College is 9th House.  Masters, Ph.D. would be 12th House.  I am using this just as an example of how this grouping can be applied.  Anything 3rd/6th House would have similar cycles and expressions here.

What is represented in the 9th house with philosophy, higher education, religion, etc., could not exist without the early beginnings in the 3rd with mercury, and the study and dedication of the 6th house.  To develop past merely the "rote" learning, eventually there must be a consolidation of all that has been learned and apply it with wisdom...12th House.

As you noted, soulsearch, all four elements are also represented by this cycle/sequence when taken to the 9th and 12th.  There is also a balance of yin/yang.

Wow!  I am really impressed!  (And I didn't think anyone was listening!)

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Post by soulsearch » Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:32 am

So what you are saying that any square pattern in a chart would indicate struggles and challenges.

We can do the same with

1-4-7-10
Aries-Cancer-Libra-Capricorn
All Angular- Point of initiation
Fire-Water-Air-Earth
Mars-Moon-Venus-Saturn

3-6-9-12
Gemini- Virgo-Saggi-Pisces

2-5-8-11
Taurus-Leo-Scorpio-Aquarius
All Suceedent -Point of purpose and stablization
Venus-Sun-Mars-Saturn

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Okay back to the 3rd House. ( soft aspects)
The Grand Trine form the 3rd house would be
3-7-11
Gemini-Libra-Aquarius
Easy Flow of energy...??

Sextiles
3-5-7-9-11-1

Just thinking aloud

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So when you look at a chart, the Squares and Opposition would relate hard aspects. Squares wrt to 3 house would indicate areas the person needs to work upon and eventually grow.
Also in this square only two planets are involved- Mercury and Jupiter.So growth generally would involve learning,thinking,communication,higher learning wisdom all through adaptibility and change.

I have been writing everything on paper and I guess its time to get those index cards :)

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Post by Youdah » Thu Nov 06, 2008 5:41 pm

soulsearch wrote:So what you are saying that any square pattern in a chart would indicate struggles and challenges.
I would add "wisdom" and "growth" through struggles and challenges.  Although it doesn't necessarily involve struggle/challenges.  Someone who is studying hard for a school test, for example, is not really "struggling" but they are working with dedication and full intent (Virgo qualities required here) to produce a desired result (passing the school test).
soulsearch wrote: We can do the same with

1-4-7-10
Aries-Cancer-Libra-Capricorn
All Angular- Point of initiation
Fire-Water-Air-Earth
Mars-Moon-Venus-Saturn

3-6-9-12
Gemini- Virgo-Saggi-Pisces

2-5-8-11
Taurus-Leo-Scorpio-Aquarius
All Suceedent -Point of purpose and stablization
Venus-Sun-Mars-Saturn
YES!  You are getting a little ahead of me!  :)  Yet, that is exactly it!
Now, perhaps some can see why I spent so much time before class began talking about the elements, yin/yang, and cycles!  :)  To determine "where you are" with growth, karma, your new job, promotions, personality, a problem in your life, your marriage, etc., you only have to identify where you're at with respect to these cycles.  This has a two-fold benefit...it helps you go forward and so be able to solve the problem or reap greater benefits, and it also allows you to see how far you've come which allows you to keep perspective.

This isn't generic to everyone, because everyone's chart is going to be a little different depending on the sun sign on the house cusps, planets in the houses, and the aspects.  So, how to go forward is personalized to YOU (or whomever).

Also, this group is the only group that shares planets to move it forward (mercury, jupiter)
soulsearch wrote: Okay back to the 3rd House. ( soft aspects)
The Grand Trine form the 3rd house would be
3-7-11
Gemini-Libra-Aquarius
Easy Flow of energy...??
Any of the triplicities will do that.  Starting with the 3rd, it is AIR.
soulsearch wrote: So when you look at a chart, the Squares and Opposition would relate hard aspects. Squares wrt to 3 house would indicate areas the person needs to work upon and eventually grow.
See above comments
soulsearch wrote: Also in this square only two planets are involved- Mercury and Jupiter.So growth generally would involve learning,thinking,communication,higher learning wisdom all through adaptibility and change.
You've got it!  That really excites me, to know someone is understanding!

Yes!  You can't have growth or change or progress in anything without the mutables (adaptibility).  And, through that, there is growth, expansion, wisdom, etc. (Jupiter), that begins with a new thought, hearing something, beginning a new class, etc. (all mercury).

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Post by Youdah » Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:01 pm

This kind of a grouping can be very productive in more ways than personal growth

An application of this, an example:

Suppose you are a project manager, or you want to get a project started.  Put a Gemini, a Virgo, A Sagittarius, and a Pisces in the same room, and they will produce a brilliant project.  They won't always get along (they are in square to each other), but once they settle down to work, they will come up with something that is extraordinary, brilliant, and very workable.

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Post by soulsearch » Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:21 pm

Youdah wrote:This kind of a grouping can be very productive in more ways than personal growth

An application of this, an example:

Suppose you are a project manager, or you want to get a project started.  Put a Gemini, a Virgo, A Sagittarius, and a Pisces in the same room, and they will produce a brilliant project.  They won't always get along (they are in square to each other), but once they settle down to work, they will come up with something that is extraordinary, brilliant, and very workable.
Sounds good and workable !

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Post by astrologer50 » Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:37 pm

soulsearch wrote:Okay heres what I have been mostly thinking ( since it was indeed Wednesday) and the air element is really high !

Making links from your notes:
Mercury-Communication,Earth,Cold and Dry

Gemini-Thinking,Air,Masculine
3rd House-Social and Intellect /Interactions with near and dear ones

Virgo-I serve/Mutable/Feminine
6th house-Daily life/Work environment/health on a daily basis/desire to improve
*******************************

Taking Wiki's help again
The assignments of the ruling planets appear to be based upon the seasons in the Northern Hemisphere, as the sun and moon, the principal bearers of light and heat, were awarded to Leo and Cancer, respectively since the months the sun passed through these signs (in ancient times) were the warmest and had the longest days.
Conversely, Saturn, the most distant (and hence the "coldest") of the planets known to ancients, was accorded the rulership of Aquarius and Capricorn, the signs opposite Leo and Cancer, respectively.
Jupiter, being next furthest away, was given the signs on either side of Aquarius and Capricorn (Pisces and Sagittarius), and Mars, next in order, received the next two (Aries and Scorpio).
Since Mercury never appears more than one sign from the sun in either direction, it was deemed to rule the two signs on either side of Leo and Cancer (Virgo and Gemini), and since Venus can never be found more than two signs from the Sun, it obtained the rulership of Libra and Taurus.
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Gemini is the natural domicile of the third.It also indicates sibling whom we interact (air/gemini) with daily ( brother and sisters).The third house also indicates effort.

6th house represents the area where we serve. Could be our office or work environment ( Virgo ).It also indicates health issues.

Our service area/office  becomes the 4th to the 3rd. It could be the area where we do feel peaceful.

Also since it was a Wednesday yesterday I did think about the combinations of the 3rd and 6th but to be creative ( 5th house) the other indicators of the 5th house ( children) somehow get also get activated lol and 5th being 12 to 6th...somehow dont let me reach my temp office...:)
Am fed up of people quoting Wiki's help again!!! we are only talking about Mercury ruling Gemini and Virgo.....

My interpretation is somewhat different, mercury is primarily communication and how it works in Gemini is totally different than Virgo. and then discuss the house meanings and functions....

Mercury in Gemini
[Pure logical reasoning can be carried to its highest expression.  Versatile   unbiased and impersonal.  You are more concerned with facts than attitudes.  Clarity of expression. Highly sensitive nervous system]

The collection and communication of knowledge is a major priority. These people have clear and logical minds and need mental stimulation. They love debate but their opinions are usually changeable.  Physical exercise is necessary to work off nervous tension.

Here Mercury is placed in one of the signs it rules, ¬strengthening its influence.  It gives a considerable need to exchange ideas and opinions, and generally the subject likes to be heard and really needs to communicate with others   from talking to the next person in a queue to participating in public debates.  He or she is able to think very quickly and be involved in more than one task at a time, perhaps talking on the telephone while making notes on a quite different matter!   Quick decisions will be made, but not necessarily adhered to, for the mind is often changed   sometimes with the individual denying that this has happened.  Facts will be a bore, so in an exam, for instance, there is a tendency to show off opinions at great length without the support of real knowledge or long, hard study.  Often too, there is a flare for selling.  Impatience   especially with people of a slower turn of mind   is common, and the individual will easily be able to talk his way out of tricky situations. Adaptability is a great asset, but at all times superficiality of thought and action must be guarded against.  Look for other elements in the chart to counter such traits. Cunning and craftiness may also be present!

Mercury in Virgo (Dignity and exalted).
[You will have an analytical mind with great practical reasoning ability.  You require accuracy that may appear trivial to others and you will appreciate orderly surroundings and ¬efficient methods of procedure.  Good intelligence]

Pedantic, critical and analytical, these people have no time for frivolous ideas.  The less interesting face of this position is to be found in the bureaucrat, the lover of intellectual order; the more interesting in those who use their minds for the practical good of the world.

This is the second sign that Mercury rules, so its influence is increased. The ability to analyse and critically assess every aspect of a situation or problem is a dominant feature of this placing, which also gives much common sense and a very practical approach   yet this does not usually prevent the individual suffering to a certain extent from worry.  Learning to think for oneself is important as sometimes the organisational ability is undermined, and there is a tendency only to feel totally safe and at one's best when knowing precisely what to do and what is expected. Preoccupation with detail can sometimes mean the overall grasp of a situation is poor, so this trait should be countered. (Often the placing of Jupiter, and its aspects will be helpful). The subject can think practically and constructively, and is very able to cope with demanding intellectual work. There is a great deal of highly charged nervous energy which must be burnt off if stomach upsets, bowel problems or even migraines are to be avoided.

Mercury 3rd House Good intellectual ability in general.  Interests in all forms of communication.  Good writer or speakers.  Short distant traveling. Time spent on telephone or letter writing.  Adept in finding practical solutions to problems.

Mercury 6th House  Interested in acquiring specialised knowledge and skills applicable to the type of work you do.  Methodical and efficient in handling details.  Good house for medicine or ¬engineering. Disorder in your work you will not tolerate.

and then you need to look at HOW mercury is aspected natally, whether it talks too much Mercury square Jupiter, is arguementative mars square mercury or mercury square Uranus. or conj or oppositions

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Post by Jen1e » Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:47 pm

i think gemini and virgo are conjoined because they are like zodiac siblings... and mercury is the 1 brain that operates both of these people. mercury manifests itself in ways different in gemini and virgo, but virtually identically when analyzed! i can see this most clearly with observation of people of these signs; they have a presence similar to the other, and i often myself mistaking a gemini for a virgo or a virgo for a gemini. there are geminis i know who are highly energized and deceptive and scattered, and there are geminis who have these traits repressed and are trying hard to get it right, through detail work and analysis. i also find virgos that are not always studious and responsible, but sometimes highly deceptive and very detached. i think the relationship between gemini, virgo, mercury, and the 3rd and 6th houses is highly visible in the sole fact that mercury rules these both. mercury is the planet of the mind and of intellect and of thinking, and its separate from all the others by a strong sense of communication and logic. the 3rd house of siblings has an emphasis on communication, how well you can relate to your siblings, or if you dont have any siblings, how well you can relate and communicate with yourself. this is something i believe to play a part in gemini duality (hence why gemini is the sign of the twins.. you dont have to be a gemini and a twin, in order to be a gemini who feels the need to "communicate with themselves"). 6th house is about health and organization and reality.. you couldnt rule this house using jupiter, because jupiter has too unrealistic visions in order to accurately take care of his health, or venus, because venus likes sweets too much. mercury with his logical mind isnt afraid to cut down to the nitty gritty and see what really needs to be done in order to keep himself up to speed with reality and to keep himself in good health. you take the house of siblings, the house of health, the house of religion, and the house of fantasy, and group them all together, and you will see that these 4 need to be ruled by mutable signs because they all require adaptation. if you cannot adapt to your siblings or yourself, you will never be able to accept people for who they are and communicate. if you cannot adapt to reality and facts, you will never be right or be able to do the right thing. if you cannot adapt to concepts of higher thinking, you will never develop a faith. if you cannot adapt to the abstractions of fantasy, you will never have a place to escape to. they are all equal and opposite with one another.

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Post by astrologer50 » Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:00 pm

mercury manifests itself in ways different in gemini and virgo, but virtually identically when analyzed!
Well you cannot have it both ways. The mercury in Gemini and Virgo are different to the houses explanation.

you say, " i often myself mistaking a gemini for a virgo or a virgo for a gemini. there are geminis i know who are highly energized and deceptive and scattered, and there are geminis who have these traits repressed and are trying hard to get it right, through detail work and analysis. i also find virgos that are not always studious and responsible, but sometimes highly deceptive and very detached"
Are you talking about gemini and virgo sun, think you are, unless you are talking about there mercury in their natal charts, and then you have to look how that mercury is aspected, it may have square to saturn and be studious in either sign but be quiet.

"the 3rd house of siblings has an emphasis on communication, how well you can relate to your siblings, or if you dont have any siblings, how well you can relate and communicate with yourself. this is something i believe to play a part in gemini duality (hence why gemini is the sign of the twins.. you dont have to be a gemini and a twin, in order to be a gemini who feels the need to "communicate with themselves").
3rd house is basic education, think you are getting things out of context here. 3rd house does not represent how well you communicate with yourself, this is a never ending internal process. Mercury describes by sign and house and aspects how well you communicate with others.....

"6th house is about health and organization and reality." Is your daily routines, not just health. It is the type of work you do and how you relate to co-workers.....

"you take the house of siblings, the house of health, the house of religion, and the house of fantasy, and group them all together, and you will see that these 4 need to be ruled by mutable signs because they all require adaptation"

Another big difference between Gemini and Virgo is that Virgo worries, Gemini doesn't is too scattered restless, procrastinating, indecisive. There is nothing indecisive about Virgo...

The way you seem to want to connect these 4houses is silly just cos they are mutuable houses, they are not connected via Mercury.
Mercury is how your think, speak and communicate and the function differently in Gemini and Virgo........simple end of...

12th house of Pisces has nothing to do with communication or Mercury. 12th house is house of secrets the unconscious mind, working in private, isolation. In effect someone NOT talking....

I suggest you stick to the known facts and not let your imagination get too far ahead of you.

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Post by Naomiel » Tue Jan 27, 2009 7:43 pm

Hey Astrologer,
Could you please tell me how to work out when a person will travel (or in my case relocate) accordingto their birth chart?

thanks
Naomi

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