Dada,rohiniranjan wrote:"an astrologer", Rishi, not IRishiRahul wrote:RishiRahul wrote:RishiRahul wrote:Some points coming from my mind is given:
1a)For gamblers one should check the 5th. house, which has Mars. With 5th. house Mars opposing Saturn, denoted aggression/aggressive attitudes, internal or external. Mars is the 8th. from Arudha Lagna=showing effects frustrated.
1b) The houses of Mars is influenced strongly by Ketu and Venus= dispositors of Mars sign.
1c) Jupiter is debilitated in Bhagyasthan= wisdom not o.k. This Jupiter is debilitated in the 12th.=aggravation. From lagna and Arudha, Jupiter does not have any cancellation.
1d) Venus is also important for gambling or negative qualities being in Scorpio..... which is the 10th. from Arudha.
2) The Mars in 10th(karma) from moon lagna(mental perspective) adds to aggressive or agression in Karma.
Regarding political activist:
3)Saturn in the 10th. from Ghati Lagna in opposion to Mars.
4) Frustrations and delay aggravated by the 10th. Saturn aspecting(square) the moon in the 7th. =from Ghati Lagna.
5)In regards to the ben/mal of Venus for Vrisha Lagna=Though Venus, though not having full aspects, has its moolatrikona sign posited with Rahu, Mercury, Sun.... therefore this case would not be a perfect one to guage point beneficity or maleficity.
Another point, though out of context here..but interesting.
Atmakaraka as per Lahiri ayanamsa is Jupiter in the 9th. debilitated.
If we shift to lesser degree ayanamsas than Lahiri then atmakaraka becomes Mercury.
If this person was famous or infamous to the point of being well known/much discussed, then Jupiter as atmakaraka probably stands out.
Thoughtfully,
RishiRahul
I will try, Rishi:
As told to me, the source of this birthdatum was from a personal client collection of an astrologer who was approached by the individual's mother for a reading. That in my opinion does not make this person notable in the typical way.
While venus has been called a functional malefic for taurus by virtue of its lordship over the 6th, its role as lagnesh would supervene and it will not cause harm directly (own period, dasha, transit etc). It can be negative though through a malefic that is primed and placed in its nakshatra.
Without going into ayanamsha uha-poha etc I would just comment on jupiter if it were in capricorn instead of aquarius. Indeed such a jupiter would have received a powerful and malefic cancellation since saturn and mars would have been in a kendra from moon. It would have made him a prominent leader since such a jupiter would have been on labh-pada in 9th and in kendra from the 7th pada which would have made him a leader of the malefic gang of red-necks as opposed to just being a member, and a bookkeeper.
In an article written recently, I have explored the dual lordship of scorpio and aquarius (kujavada ketu sanivada rahu adage elaborated). In this chart scorpio is ruled by mars and it is interesting to note that venus the indicator of money and luxuries etc is placed on the 5th pada in the 7th house and its dispositor mars is placed in the fifth house. Both of these planets mars and venus are associated with each other in navamsha very strongly. Mars is in the 9th house and its lord jupiter is placed in the 4th navamsha (tula) with venus. Venus also rules 11th navamsha where exalted moon and rahu are located. Rahu can therefore give income through activities that are semi-legal or illegal (remember that the individual was a bookie!).
Now let us look for the situation of rahu in the natal chart. Note that it is in the 6th house which is a house of income and an upachaya. Who else is there? Sun, the weakest planet in the chart who is debilitated with a certain extent of cancellation (venus in kendra from lagna and mars in kendra from moon), however its weakness, association with rahu and forming a distorted budha aditya will mean that his intellect will be expressed in a distorted manner. The presence of moon the indicator of mind in the 8th is not very helpful in stabilizing the mind either.
So what has rahu got to do with his profession and earnings and life's mission, despite it being associated with gambling and illegal activities and the red-necked activities? I propose that rahu in this case is the ruler of the tenth and not saturn. While saturn is placed in a dual sign, rahu is placed with two other planets and as per the chara rulership rules it is the stronger contender for aquarius. By virtue of that it is the dispositor of jupiter (in 10th) which is also aspecting rahu, sun and mercury and represents the distorted ideals of jupitarian values. Thus we get the leaning towards mistaken sense of racial purity and all that kind of nonsense. Note also that jupiter is in kendra from gulika (in 4th) and that is another factor that would distort the inner mind.
The fourth house is significant in one's developing inner kindness and tolerance and patience, virtues that exemplify a mother and lead to mental peace.
In this chart, the fourth holds gulika and its lord sun also happens to be chara matrikarka and is afflicted in more ways than one as earlier described. Moon the natural karaka is furthermore placed in the 8th house, the randhra where the planet's natural karakattwa remains unexpressed, unfathomable. The aspect of saturn and mars on the moon further make it difficult for the moon to achieve its natural mien. The exalted state but association with rahu in the navamsha in a badhaksthana (11th house for chara navamsha) additionally ensures that the distorted egoistic mind-set without which convictions such as racial supremacy and racial purity do not take hold of one's life -- are indeed experienced in this individual's lifetime and such was indeed the case.
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rohiniranjan……………………………………………….Quote by RohiniRanjanji
First, I must apologise for overlooking the cancellation of debilitation bit= there is cancellation.
Secondly, Read "dispositors of Mars sign" as "occupants of Mars sign".
RishiRahul
Dear Dada,
I bring up this topic of discussion, again, which I did propose to earlier, but needed time to be less busy.
Somewhere, you had mentioned that the political activist and the red necked gambler, whose birthchart was discussed, were your clients son. To make the old references simpler in understanding :=
R.R=“Without going into ayanamsha uha-poha etc I would just comment on jupiter if it were in capricorn instead of aquarius. Indeed such a jupiter would have received a powerful and malefic cancellation since saturn and mars would have been in a kendra from moon. It would have made him a prominent leader since such a jupiter would have been on labh-pada in 9th and in kendra from the 7th pada which would have made him a leader of the malefic gang of red-necks as opposed to just being a member, and a bookkeeper
RishiRahul= Jupiter’s best position is known to be Aquarius. Here it would be the 2nd And 11th Lord in Arudha Lagna, giving the native the mighty blessings of Jupiter.
If Jupiter in Capricorn, in this case would have the power to lift a native from rags to riches; but being the 2nd. And 11th. Lord in 12th. From Arudha lagna, giving very heavy expenses and the native could be religious in the last part of his life.
From the Arudha Lagna- The postion of Saturn in the 2nd. And Mars in the 8th indicates tremendous aggression in regard to the health and financial sector… the 2nd. house being the main house of financial balance. This is not indicative of good financial health in totality or finally.
Jupiter in Capricorn would be more appropriate here as he did rise from ‘rags to riches’. Since you came to here of him from his mother, it is presumed that we are not aware of his later life, ultimate financial health; but we are aware that he rose from rags to riches thing. Again Jupiter in 10th from natal lagna in Aquarius would not be befit his type of profession.
In Capricorn Jupiter, in Labhapada is in a Kendra from saptampada, if we consider Jupiter inCapricorn so the analysis could be different. Hope I am not getting mixed up. The ayanamsa you follow puts Jupiter in Aquarius and saptampada is Kanya.
A discussion to the above is desired as this points needs t be cleared. Problem is that we are not aware of his last life, but we can guess.
RishiRahul
At one point in time I was fortunate to have much sharing with serious astrologers (including jyotishis) and gained much from their collective wisdom. Hopefully gave back some to them as well.
I will see what I can do but discussion is a scary term! Sounds like a compound word made out of DIScord + conCUSSION!
Like two BULLS locking their horns or something!
As you may have noticed where 'BULL' or anything related is concerned, I keep my distance!
Why should discussion be a scary term, if it does not go out of bounds? A discussion is incomplete if there is no difference in ideas.
Two buuls locking horns, as you imply in discussion is a discussion going out of bounds. I guess the difference is also in the viewing/feeling.
This chart under discussion needs to be complete to complete this thread, and I brought it up as I felt something is not yet correct in the explaining/viewing/understanding for the Vrishabha lagna instance to be better completed... and we can take yp the chart of Joseph Mengel then.
Dont you understand that this should be completed?
RishiRahul
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