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Post by Cascade of Light » Tue Jan 05, 2010 6:47 pm

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Cassie suggested the Fool's Journey. I think that is a great one to start whilst at the same time introducing the newcomers to the tarot and to learn about their very journey on the tarot path. .
The Fool's Journey was the Tarot for many years, the journey of enlightenment was complete. When were the minors attached? hmm? There is no coincidence that there were 22 Halls of Amente in Ancient Egyptian history with each one having a gift of knowledge to be passed through before entering the next then Jung recently coined the title or description archetype, lol, it was already there :)
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Post by Payewacker » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:11 pm

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Hi Cassie,

The source of Hermitisicm perhaps?

I think it would be great if you could explain to us, how these "Halls" were linked and perhaps, the level of enlightenment, that could be acheived in each.

Then, when we speak about an ancient doctrine, we ourselves will be a lot brighter?

As to when the pip cards were added, we may find the connotation or explanation, in studying the levels of enlightenment you describe.

We know the Fools journey exist for as old as Tarot is, and as you pointed out, even before that then!

It would really be interesting to explore the Halls of Amente, could you lead the way for us please!

Blessed be.    :)
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Post by Payewacker » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:39 pm

Hi Cassie,

MMMM, my mother researched Sichen and the Ananuki. This is obviously where he got his theories from.

I don't have time to want to divert in studying that as well, so please be our guest and enlighten us!

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Post by Payewacker » Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:02 am

Hi Cassie,

Remember your question about Tarot being an ordinary playing card game. I'm quoting directly from Wikipedia;

"In the Visconti-Sforza tarot deck, the Fool is depicted as a ragged vagabond.
The Fool is titled Le Mat in the Tarot of Marseilles, and Il Matto in most Italian language tarot decks. These archaic words mean "the madman" or "the beggar", and may be related to the word for 'checkmate' in relation to the original use of tarot cards for gaming purposes"

"The Hermitage tells us that in the decks before Waite-Smith, the Fool is almost always unnumbered.[5] There are a few exceptions: some old decks (including the 15th-century Sola Busca and the Rider Waite) label the card with a "0", and the Belgian Tarot designs label the Fool as "XXII". The Fool is almost always completely apart from the sequence of trumps in the historic decks. Still, there is historic precedent for regarding it as the lowest trump and as the highest trump."

L'Excuse from the French Tarotcard game
In the various tarot card games such as French Tarot, Tarocchini and Tarock, the Fool has a unique role. In these games, the Fool is sometimes called "the Excuse". The tarot games are typically trick taking games; playing the Fool card excuses the player from either following suit or playing a trump card on that trick. Winning a trick containing the Fool card often yields a scoring bonus.
In occult tarot, the Fool is usually considered part of the "major arcana". This is not true in the tarot game itself; the Fool's role in the game is independent of both the suit cards and the trump cards, and the card does not belong to either category. As such, most tarot decks originally made for game playing do not assign a number to the Fool indicating its rank in the suit of trumps; it has none. Waite gives the Fool the number 0, but in his book discusses the Fool between Judgment, no. 20, and The World, no. 21.

"However, in some more modern tarot card games, specifically Austrian Tarock games, the Fool is instead played as the 22 of Trump, making it the highest trump in such games".

What I will do, is to research the game rules and host it as well, just as a matter of interest.

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Post by cedars » Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:07 am

Very interesting Payewacker.
yes, I always thought and read that the tarot was started as a card game much similar to Bridge.....

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Post by Payewacker » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:21 pm

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Hi Cedars,

Can You remember our discussions on "Miseria, The Beggar" in the Tarocchi Siciliano.
I'm going to repeat the above posting on the Fool card on that thread, and will attach these cards there as well.

Something which we also discussed is the "second" un-numbered card, as found in some decks, but I really need to look for those discussions, because what 2 years ago?

Now I remember, it's the Card FATE, but we covered this recently as well, i'll just get the info and post?

Blessed be.
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Post by cedars » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:46 pm

I remember the Miseria card and the discussions...... Perhaps you are right - two years ago..

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Post by Payewacker » Wed Jan 06, 2010 6:52 pm

Hi Guys,

As promised, the gaming rules of the Tarot as it started out. There are several games. I listed two under this subject. But will add all the others, as the doc as one single hosting, just don't want to do it!

CREGO AND FRENCH TAROT;
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AZyuZ ... ZncA&hl=en

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Post by Payewacker » Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:36 pm

Hi Guys,

I hosted the other gaming rules of Tarot.

What is interesting, we find "Minchiate" Tarot---said to be a "higher" or elevated Divinatory method. as well, as an ordinary card game!

http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AZyuZ ... tnNQ&hl=en

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Post by Cascade of Light » Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:26 pm

Payewacker, do you have permission from Wikipedia to copy and use all their information, I thought it was all copyrighted by them? Wouldn't it be better to just link to the original pages instead of copying  great chunks? Its not the best of information sites to usefor facts either as anyone can write and add things to the records making them very inaccurate and liable to change at a moment.
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Post by Payewacker » Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:34 am

To follow the seperate discussions in this thread, go to this link:
http://mysticboard.org/vi ... 125#261125


Hi Cassie,
The Fool's Journey was the Tarot for many years, the journey of enlightenment was complete. When were the minors attached? hmm? There is no coincidence that there were 22 Halls of Amente in Ancient Egyptian history with each one having a gift of knowledge to be passed through before entering the next then Jung recently coined the title or description archetype, lol, it was already there
I'm placing this posting here, as we have a lot of "traffic" on this thread.

To present a "Study" of Tarot, is not only one person's input. You have raised an interesting subject. Then, in doing so, you should have the needed knowledge to expand, explain and discuss the topic. This forms part of the "bigger" picture.

Whenever we do postings on a certain subject, it's vitally important to be able to qualify that which is theorised or knowledge departed with.

You raised the 22 Halls of Artemis, share your knowledge with all of us. Nobody is trying to hijack your postings, we all try to find the logic behind a thought process! The Link to your discussion or posting will be hosted on my thread, I can't understand why you seem to be threatened to "enlighten" all of us?

In bringing your advanced knowledge on these Halls, can be such a wonderfull experience. Then The Fools journey, may make a lot more sense, even to me!

Blessed be.

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Post by Payewacker » Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:43 am

Hi Cassie,

Seeing as you also wish to assist me in presenting this "Tutorial" on Tarot, and the possibilities of the Fools journey, long before the existence or creation of the Tarot as we know it today.

Would it then be possible for you to discuss the "Person, entity or Fool" who stood in the chamber, looking at the different stone doors, and how he may have perceived himself. This person, as you said is the Fool, so the journey he embarked on, in relation to the Halls of Artemis, may bring a very interesting influence, if not a basic understanding of our own Journey through life!

After all, each person sets out on a journey through life, and there is a definite start to this journey, and how the person perceives his own abilities, or himself at that stage!

Please, the information may assist all of us, to have a better understanding of ourselves and the infinite possibilities we may be able to acheive.

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Post by Payewacker » Sat Jan 09, 2010 4:13 pm

Hi Guys,

I thought, to make it easier to find the links, is perhaps to refresh, and host them more frequent. To page through 10 pages, hoping to get to the links may be a bit much?

The links to the different postings and tutorials contain the same information, but sometimes, I get a bit lost!
So let me list the individual links as well.

Please note. Some of the pages don't host as supposed to be! But I'm sure you will still make sense from the lot?

Page 10;
http://mysticboard.org/vi ... 486#259486

Page 18;
http://mysticboard.org/vi ... 125#261125

Page 21;
http://mysticboard.org/vi ... 575#261575

THE ORIGINAL PURPOSE OF TAROT IS SAID TO BE A MERE CARD GAME. THE FOLLOWING LINKS ARE TO THE GAMING RULES:

CREGO AND FRENCH TAROT;
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AZyuZ ... ZncA&hl=en

SOMETHING INTERESTING ABOUT A VERY OLD GUY CALLED MERLIN.
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AZyuZ ... tkZA&hl=en


Introduction to Tarot:  
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AZyuZ ... Rjag&hl=en


Origins of Tarot-simplified:  
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AZyuZ ... ZnNg&hl=en


How does Tarot work?:  
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AZyuZ ... dnNg&hl=en

THE MAJOR ARCANUM CARDS EXPLAINED.
Each card will be hosted on Google, just click the link. Further discussions are done on their own threads and these links will be listed under each Card name.

0-The Fool.
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AZyuZ ... Zkdw&hl=en
Discussions and comments must be posted on this thread:
http://mysticboard.org/vi ... 126#261126

I-The Magician
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AZyuZ ... M0aA&hl=en

THE MINOR ARCANUM CARDS EXPLAINED.

The Aces
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AZyuZ ... ZjOQ&hl=en

Ace of Swords.
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AZyuZ ... Rndw&hl=en

Ace of Cups.
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AZyuZ ... NkYg&hl=en

Ace of Pentacles.
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AZyuZ ... Jkcw&hl=en

Ace of Wands.
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AZyuZ ... NWRz&hl=en


Some of the topics discussed below, are complicated and "advanced". However nothing stops any-one from browsing and taking part in these topics.


Celtic Cross Template:  
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AZyuZ ... Nobg&hl=en


Celtic Cross, numeric attributions and how to read it:  
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AZyuZ ... Jmdw&hl=en


Minor Arcanum Astrological Associations “timing”: http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AZyuZ ... NWZn&hl=en


Major Arcanum Associations:  
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AZyuZ ... cWM1&hl=en

The Fools path or Journey through the Major Arcanum.
http://mysticboard.org/vi ... 084#261084


The Tarot and the Kaballah:  
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AZyuZ ... hocg&hl=en


Geometry, God and Tarot:
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AZyuZ ... cGQ3&hl=en


Masonic Influence:  
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AZyuZ ... YyOA&hl=en


Cards with Moons:  
http://mysticboard.org/vi ... 897#239897


How to determine your enemies, friends and family members:  http://mysticboard.org/vi ... 353#259353

Classifying people in a set of Mundane Circumstance:  http://mysticboard.org/vi ... 504#259504

The color yellow;  
http://mysticboard.org/vi ... 092#240092
Comments on yellow and red;
http://mysticboard.org/vi ... 937#253937

Death and the Masonic cornerstone, five pointed Rose and Masonic colors, lunar lodges, circumbulation, Lesser Lights, triangles, squares; http://mysticboard.org/vi ... 133#240133

Pillars on the Cards, Jachin and Boaz;  http://mysticboard.org/vi ... 384#240384

The three virtues in the Major Arcanum; http://mysticboard.org/vi ... 700#240700

The divisions in cards;
http://mysticboard.org/vi ... 324#258324

The three sets of seven in the Major Arcanum; http://mysticboard.org/vi ... 740#245740

Judgement and the Lovers;
http://mysticboard.org/vi ... 797#245797

Pomegranates on the High Priestess card; http://mysticboard.org/vi ... 784#253784

Cards with Moons; http://mysticboard.org/vi ... 935#253935

The Nine Majors;
http://mysticboard.org/vi ... 914#253914

The Moon card and the Pomegranates on the High Priestess; http://mysticboard.org/vi ... 284#254284

The Sola Busca Tarot, and origins of Rider Waite and Thoth decks. http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AZyuZ ... hyNw&hl=en
Discussions and comparisons on the SB, RW and AC.

THE HEBREW ALEPH-BETH AND KABBALAH.

Aleph;
http://mysticboard.org/vi ... 640#259640
Jacob's ladder is part of Aleph:

Jacob's Ladder;
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AZyuZ ... JwOQ&hl=en

The Symantic structure and formative meanings of the Hebrew Aleph-Beth.
http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AZyuZ ... 54aw&hl=en

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Post by pirbid » Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:50 pm

:) It pains me to see you wasting so much effort bumping this ever growing list so it won't be lost in the past threads.

So I have taken the liberty to copy it into a Sticky that you can now find at the top of the general Tarot forum, called TAROT TOPICS, and which is easy to see and find by anyone visiting.

Whenever you update the list, add contents or alter the order, just let me know and I will edit the sticky to keep it updated. How does that sound? It should save you some work :)
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Post by Rhutobello » Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:54 pm

A very good idea pirbid Image

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