Payewacker's Tarot - The Celtic Cross and how to read it!!

Payewacker · Post by **Payewacker** » Sat Jan 30, 2010 7:30 am

Yellow

It's good to be here, mmmmm!

The person's perception or mind is altered through card 2, placed with the upright to the left. And in this, the obstruction being contained in card 2, is an archetypal influence, which can translate into any level of energy, be it archetypal, existential or cosmic. This position is the "carrier" of any person's thought, or environment. His/her, Bething - Beth (thoughts on the primary thought).

My mind tells me that the card should be upright if the top is to the left. As this placement is ruled by the High Priestess. We receive our intuition through the left and the right hand is the "practical" side. That is also why we shuffle anti-clockwise and hopefully with the left hand (not always possible) The right is used to "assist"

These placements are linked to the kaballa.

1-primordial energy-Aleph,
2-the container-Beth-House
3-the start of movement-Gimmel-Camel

So 2 is the container, which changes as it receives what is given to fill it. This is where we get to "Gimmel" is the Bething of our primordial energy(thought), Beth our direction or bringing into something, which is not anything, by the shifting of our Aleph????

Therefore, placement two in my view is firstly a coming together, but also a sifting and parting of what is what we want or not. It also denotes dualities and their seperating or combining? And Pirbid as you rightly said, it's a point of "standing" not stagnation. It's a short moment of "gathering" in the onward march.

All the Links are:

Celtic Cross, and how to read it:
I have edited this doc;

Follow this link:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IL- ... aWAM4/edit

MB Thread:
http://mysticboard.org/vi ... 988#264988

Blessed be.

Blessed be.

pirbid · Post by **pirbid** » Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:22 am

Hiya, there!

Now, who's the busiest guy in the whole Tarot forum?
You'll be glad to know I'm finally catching up with the link updates and will post the last version as soon as I make sure I'm not missing any new links. I've already included those you sent through PM and now I'm trying to find any stray links I may have missed in each discussion thread.

You're doing amazing work, I'm so proud of you. Please keep it up till I manage my time better so I can join the discussions: I'm raring to, but the best I can do right now is quickly scan throught the threads.

BTW, I'm not sure if these last two posts are repeated or if you added something you want to keep in one of them. I can remove the other, if you like. Just let me know which.

See you around, then. Huge huuugsss  :smt008

Payewacker · Post by **Payewacker** » Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:57 pm

Hi Pirbid,

Yes the last two were duplicated--sorry.

Thanks for your compliment, it's truly appreciated.

BTW, when I went to ATF last night, one of my questions were answered, and I think, I would want to gather the info on decks that have more minors and majors as the Minchiate deck!

This we will handle a bit later!

Blessed be

Payewacker · Post by **Payewacker** » Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:47 am

Hi Guys, I'm repeating this posting on this thread as well.

I don't want to move to the fours until we all have a basic understanding on the Quabala and no's 1, 2, 3.

Number one is the spark, which has not been created but exist. This is your first thought, 2 is the container and three is the catalyst to movement, or the first step in moving through Aleph to Yod.

I want to use the Fool as an example. In RW, he carries a white rose. In Thoth and Witches Tarot we see an envelope.

He is a Fool, so if that which is written in the letter, in the envelope will become public knowledge. Not everything is supoosed to be shared by the general populace. He has the envelope, stops at the Magician, receives the letter, move to High-Priestess, she places the letter in the envelope and seals it, then he moves to Empress who reads the letter and act upon that, she uses the primal energy and it's container to bring forth something valuable! That is why Gimmel is not in our Aleph or Beths, But Aleph and Beth is in Gimmel.

We can also look at it this way. The energy needed to germinate a seed is there, but it has no structure (Aleph). It needs a structure (Beth) to be contained in---the outer wall of the seed. Then the germination or first result is Gimmel. Another term, Aleph-the seed, Beth-the soil-the container, Gimmel the seedling, before it pops out of the ground and become visible! Remember we have Dallet as the first resistance in 4.

To this I want to add and say Aleph breaks down resistance, but resistance is not broken by Aleph. We see than Aleph in Beth, and together, will just push it "out of the way" but it will remain there, and intact!

It is imperative for you guys to help me here. The Quabala is complicated, but when you receive your "WOW" moment, will only happen when you start getting a good understanding of how the numbers link and overlap. It is also important to continuously go to the original docs as I edit them regularly.

The initial road from Aleph to Yod is what we discuss, you need to follow these discussions. As we move beyond Yod, we will need that basic understanding, because then we are moving into the second sphere or level of energy-the existential. In this level we find the movement of Yod and the other letters, to ultimately draw to a closure in the Cosmic level, in the Finals of the Hebrew alphabet.

So, please if you understand or don't understand, post your answer in order for us to expand our discussions until it is as easy as kindergarten.

This is especially useful for those who aspire to read the Celtic Cross.

pirbid · Post by **pirbid** » Wed Feb 03, 2010 1:48 pm

Hi, PW!

Finally remembered to delete the duplicate post. Since you didn't choose between them, I've left the 'best looking' one up  :smt005

I think we're all updated at the moment. I'm next waiting for the 4s, Cedars' 3 card tutorial (IF he agrees, we might be pushing him a bit, poor thing

) and maybe that thread on how to pose a well structured question in order to get the best possible answer.

I'll keep an eye open in case we decide to include all of the above. Till then, keep up the hard work and the good fun.

Much love!  :smt020

Payewacker · Post by **Payewacker** » Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:05 pm

All the Links are:

Celtic Cross, and how to read it:
I have edited this doc;

Follow this link:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IL- ... aWAM4/edit

MB Thread:
http://mysticboard.org/vi ... 988#264988

Blessed be.

Blessed be.

Payewacker · Post by **Payewacker** » Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:12 am

MMmmm, Sorry if you went searching for the fours,

The void between my ears suddenly seized for a few days! But now up and running again!

Blessed be.

Payewacker · Post by **Payewacker** » Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:30 am

All the Links are:

Celtic Cross, and how to read it:
I have edited this doc;

Follow this link:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IL- ... aWAM4/edit

MB Thread:
http://mysticboard.org/vi ... 988#264988

Blessed be.

Payewacker · Post by **Payewacker** » Sat Feb 20, 2010 11:59 am

All the Links are:

Celtic Cross, and how to read it:
I have edited this doc;

Follow this link:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IL- ... aWAM4/edit

MB Thread:
http://mysticboard.org/vi ... 988#264988

Blessed be.

Payewacker · Post by **Payewacker** » Fri Mar 26, 2010 11:42 am

All the Links are:

Celtic Cross, and how to read it:
I have edited this doc;

Follow this link:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IL- ... aWAM4/edit

MB Thread:
http://mysticboard.org/vi ... 988#264988

Blessed be.

Payewacker · Post by **Payewacker** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:40 am

I have edited this doc;

Follow this link:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IL- ... aWAM4/edit

Blessed be.

Payewacker · Post by **Payewacker** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:42 am

I have edited the Celtic Cross and how to read it;

Follow this link:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IL- ... aWAM4/edit

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