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What System of Numerology is more Accurate

Post by vandank » Mon May 26, 2008 9:06 am

Hello

I am a beginner in this art and have been reading some text on the subject.
I understand that there are 3 main streams of Numerology

1) Pythagorea whic is most popularly used
2) Chaldean
3) Kaballah (Hebrew)

some say the Chaldean numerology is more accurate..

Can someone give me more insight on this question?

Also need some more detailed text to read, any suggestions?

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Post by drrnwynbchnbrgr » Fri Jun 13, 2008 6:12 am

Can someone give me more insight on this question?   " think for yourself .and question authority"   read all there is to read on the subject  practice on friends and family members  and yourself,  for you can see first hand  what works and what dont  ,as you  self study  always remember a key word known as denial  ...        when you do 20 readings  and 15  say its right on the money and 5 disagree  well i think you get the point  . there are some excellent software programs on the net  and the local library has many resources   i know my local library has over 50 books on numerology and there may even be more  .

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Which System of Numerology is accurate

Post by vandank » Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:22 pm

Hi,
Thanks for the reply (at least someone did after such a long time)
I have started reading text on the subject and trying to do reading on myself first..lets see where i get with that.

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Post by 3leaf » Mon Aug 04, 2008 5:10 pm

numerology is connected with sound.

chaldean and pythagoric numerology doest gives accurate numbers

there is a software, that can help you find a meaning of your name


dont relly to much on name meanings, it is big mess in it...

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Post by drrnwynbchnbrgr » Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:23 pm

Numerology is any of many systems, traditions or beliefs in a mystical or esoteric relationship between numbers and physical objects or living things.

Numerology and numerological divination were popular among early mathematicians, such as Pythagoras, but are no longer considered part of mathematics and are regarded as pseudomathematics by most modern scientists. This is similar to the historical development of astronomy out of astrology, and chemistry from alchemy.


As for as sounds   when dealing with numerology  forgot about the sounds  This is where your confusion is coming from  3leaf

You can also increase you knowledge of numerology by expanding your studies into  what is known as  Ennagram = psychological system of personality types.

numera  in  Greek  means  "spirit'  or spiritual

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Post by 3leaf » Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:05 pm

drrnwynbchnbrgr wrote:Numerology is any of many systems, traditions or beliefs in a mystical or esoteric relationship between numbers and physical objects or living things.

Numerology and numerological divination were popular among early mathematicians, such as Pythagoras, but are no longer considered part of mathematics and are regarded as pseudomathematics by most modern scientists. This is similar to the historical development of astronomy out of astrology, and chemistry from alchemy.


As for as sounds   when dealing with numerology  forgot about the sounds  This is where your confusion is coming from  3leaf

You can also increase you knowledge of numerology by expanding your studies into  what is known as  Ennagram = psychological system of personality types.

numera  in  Greek  means  "spirit'  or spiritual
Sry, but i didnot ask for this. I am not interested, where does numerology fits. We have been talking about name meanings ...

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Post by drrnwynbchnbrgr » Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:20 pm

But this a numerology forum  and you keep bringing up sounds and phontic  .you say that numerology is wrong but you have no knowledge of it.i am only trying to help and guide .very name own to man has a language origin .but that is not what numerology is about...  yes some have developed systems that include phontics but it is not widely used and this is the reason why you speak of holes......

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Post by 3leaf » Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:25 pm

drrnwynbchnbrgr wrote:But this a numerology forum  and you keep bringing up sounds and phontic  .you say that numerology is wrong but you have no knowledge of it.i am only trying to help and guide .very name own to man has a language origin .but that is not what numerology is about...  yes some have developed systems that include phontics but it is not widely used and this is the reason why you speak of holes......
Lets share knowledge than. Everybody will benefit from it. Where does numerology comes from and how was it created, based on what?

Which system is older?

Why racionaly you use a system, which you use?

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what system of numerology is more accurate

Post by k surya narayana » Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:42 pm

hello vandank
cheiro numerology is accurate

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Re: what system of numerology is more accurate

Post by 3leaf » Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:45 pm

k surya narayana wrote:hello vandank
cheiro numerology is accurate
cheiro connects numerology with sounds ....

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Re: what system of numerology is more accurate

Post by joker » Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:46 pm

k surya narayana wrote:hello vandank
cheiro numerology is accurate
why do you think so explain.    :)

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Post by drrnwynbchnbrgr » Tue Aug 05, 2008 7:53 pm

Cheiro (November 1, 1866 - October 8, 1936), was one of the most famous and colorful occult figures of the early Twentieth Century. Born in Dublin, Ireland as William John Warner, Cheiro also went by the name Count Louis Hamon (or Count Leigh de Hamong), claiming a noble ancestry that may or may not have been accurate. His name, Cheiro, derives from the word cheiromancy -- meaning palmistry. Cheiro was a supposed clairvoyant who taught palmistry (or cheiromancy), astrology, and Chaldean numerology, and used these forms of divination to make predictions, both personal ones for clients, and more general ones about coming world events.



How did Chaldean Numerology give rise to the Numerology we know today?

Where was Chaldea and Why is it so important to Numerology?

Many people don't know that Chaldea is actually a place name, they throw the term 'Chaldean Numerology' around as if it's just another 'flavor' of Numerology. In this short article I'm going to give you an explanation of Chaldean Numerology that is both very readable and informative.

The Chaldean Empire was situated near the Persian Gulf, which we would presently call South Iraq/Kuwait, although of course back then it was identified as at the mouth of the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers.

All past civilizations are famous for something, or have a well known trait we all know them by. The Maya have their temples, the Egyptians their Mummys and Ceremonial Burials (think Pyramids), the Chaldeans on the other hand are famous for their knowledge of the Stars and to a lesser degree 'magic'.

What is Chaldean Numerology based on?

The mouths of the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers was better known as Ancient Babylon, which we now know as Iraq and this is where the Chaldeans practiced ancient numerology. The Numerology was based around Vibrations which were assigned numbers, 1 through 9. The number 9 is considered Holy to the Chaldeans and was not used in the standard Numerology Chart, however it was used if the sum of the letters (Vibrations) in someones name added together to give a 9.

The Chaldean Numerology system splits an individuals influences and spiritual aspects into two areas, the inner self and the outer self. They used single digits to represent the inner and double digits for the outer.


Chaldean or "Mystic Numerology" is the older numerology of the two numerology systems. While Chaldean Numerology is considered more accurate, it's less popular. This is because the Chaldean Numerology system is not as easy to master, and the alphabet values are not in as systematic an order as the other Numerology system. The name, when ana­lyzed under Chaldean Numerology, gives a more occult or meta­physical flavor to the destiny that's interwoven into the person's character. Chaldean Numerology indicates the hidden forces or invisible strings at play behind the scenes.

The Chaldean Numerology method also differs in that it goes by the name you're most known by. Our sample person is known as Louis Wheeler to most people, and this is preferred under Chaldean Numerology analysis. As you see, his name underChaldean Numerology adds up to a 6.

The Chaldean Numerology approach is very an­cient and accurate. Chaldean Numerology was developed by the Chaldeans long time ago, who once occupied the southern part of Babylonia. Because of their long and diligent study of the occult, the people of Chaldea became well known for their contributions to astronomy, mathematics, and other sciences, particularly Astrology and Numerology. So adept were these Chaldean people in the metaphysical arts, that their name became synonymous with such studies.

The Chaldean Numerology system takes both your name and birth-date into consideration. The analysis of your name under Chaldean Numerology system uses only the name you are most known by, instead of your original name given at birth (a requirement of the Pythagorean system).

In the Chaldean Numerology system the numbers only go from 1 to 8, and not 1 to 9 - this means the transposition of the numbers assigned to the alphabet is different than in the Pythagorean counterpart.


As you may already have noticed, no alphabet letter was assigned to the number 9. The reason why the number 9 was omitted under Chaldean Numerology system was because the Chaldeans felt the 9 was holy, sacred, and thus to be held apart from the rest. However, should your name or that of someone you know total 9, then the 9 remains. Let's analyze a sample name under Chaldean Numerology system:

LESLIE

3 + 5 + 3 + 3+1+5 = 20 - 2 + 0 = 2

ERIC

5 + 2+1 + 3 = 11 - 1 + 1=2

Total: 2 + 2 = 4

All numbers, whether found under this system or the Pythagorean one, have basically the same meanings, symbols, nature, and character. This seems to be the universal rule of all number systems.

However, under the Chaldean Numerology system, it isn't enough to know what the single numbers mean. One must also know what the "compound," or "double," numbers mean is well. The single Chaldean Numerology number simply represents the physcal outward appearance of a person's name, whereas the compound Chaldean Numerology number represents the deeper, metaphysical, hidden influences or forces behind the name. In our above example, although the name adds up to the single num­ber 7, the name also has three compound numbers—20 in the first name, 11 in the middle name, and 21 in the last name.

Once the physical (single number) and metaphysical (compound number) aspects of your name have been determined, the next important step is your date of birth.

Your date of birth means the day of the month you were born under, for it too has its own occult symbology and significance. So, Leslie Eric Scott, born on the 8th day of December, would also be considered a number 8 per­son under this system. Your date of birth is extremely important because it is unchangeable and therefore a constant, like the needle pointing north on a compass. A person may undergo a series of name changes over the years because of marriage, adoption, and the like, but the birth date remains the same.
Chaldean Compound Number Vibrations

Here are some of the vibrations in Chaldean numerology. You can calculate your vibration with the Chaldean Numerology vibrations table pictured above and find out if your first, last name or first and last name together have a good or bad vibrations.

Here are only few vibrations listed. YOu get all the vibrations in the Numerology Analysis.

Single numbers denote what you appear to be in the eyes of others, while the double or compound numbers show the hidden influences that play a role behind the scenes and some mysterious way often foreshadow the future.

All the numbers from 10 upwards, become compound numbers and have a meaning of their own distinct from the root number. We do not know how and in what age these compound numbers were discovered. We can only say that they appear to have always existed. The meanings ascribed to the numbers 1 to 9 belong to the physical or material side of things and compound numbers from 10 onwards belong to the more occult or spiritual side of life. Distinct symbolism has been given to the compound numbers up to that mysterious number of 52.

The universally accepted symbolism of the compound numbers in ancient times was given in pictures and may still be found in the Tarot Cards which have been handed down to us from ancient times and whose origin is lost in antiquity. (Please refer to page 18).

10.

Symbolized as the "Wheel of Fortune". It is a number of honor, of faith and self-confidence, of rise and fall; one's name will be known for good or evil, according to one's desires; it is a fortunate number in the sense that one's plans are likely to be car­ried out.

11.

This is an ominous number to occultists. It gives warning of hidden dangers, trial, and treachery from others. It has a symbol of a "Clenched Hand", and "a Lion Muzzled", and of a person who will have great difficulties to contend against.

12.

The symbolism of this number is suffering and anxiety of mind. It is also indicated as "the Sacrifice" or "the Victim" and generally foreshadows one being sacrificed for the plans or intrigues of others.

13.

This is a number indicating change of plans, place and such-like and is not unfortunate, as is generally supposed. In some of the an­cient writings it is said, "He who understands the number 13 will be given power and dominion". It is symbolized by the picture of a "Skeleton" of "Death," with a scythe reaping down men, in a field of new-grown grass where young faces and heads appear crop­ping up on every side. It is a number of upheaval and destruction. It is a symbol of "Power" which if wrongly used will wreak destruction upon oneself. It is a number of warning of the unknown or unexpected, if it becomes a "compound" number in one's calculations.

14.

This is a number of movement, combination of people and things, and danger from natural forces such as tempests, water, air or fire. This number is fortunate for dealings with money, specula­tion and changes in business, but there is always a strong element of risk and danger attached to it, but generally owing   to the actions and fool hardiness of others. If this number comes out in calcula­tions of future events the person should be warned to act with cau­tion and prudence.

15.

This is a number of occult significance, of magic and mystery; but as a rule it does not represent the higher side of occultism, its meaning being that the persons represented by it will use every art of magic they can to carry out their purpose. If associated with a good or fortunate single number, it can be very lucky and power­ful, but if associated with one of the peculiar numbers, such as a 4 or an 8, the person it represents will not hesitate to use any sort of art, or even ''black-magic," to gain what he or she desires.
It  is peculiarly associated with "good talkers," often with elo­quence, gifts of music and art and a dramatic personality, combin­ed with a certain voluptuous temperament and strong personal magnetism. For obtaining money, gifts, and favours from others it is a fortunate number.

16.  

This number has a most peculiar occult symbolism. It is pic tured by "a Tower Struck by Lightning from which a man is falling with a Crown on his head." It is also called "the Shattered Citadel".
It gives warning of some strange fatality awaiting one, also danger of accidents and defeat of one's plans. If it appears as a "compound" number relating to the future, it is a warning sign that should be carefully noted and plans made in advance in the endeavour to avert its fatalistic tendency.

17.

This is a highly spiritual number, and is expressed in symbolism by the 8-pointed Sta r of Venus; a symbol of "Peace and love". It is also called "the Star of the Magi" and expresses that the person it represents has risen superior in spirit to the trials and difficulties of his life or his career . It is considered a "Number of immortality" and that the person's name "lives after him". It is a fortunate number if it works out in relation to future events, provided it is not associated with the single number of fours and eights.

18.

This number has a difficult symbolism to translate. It is pictured as "a rayed moon from which drops of blood are falling; a wolf and a hungry dog are seen below catching the falling drops of blood in their opened mouths, while still lower a crab is seen hastening to join them." It is symbolic of materialism striving to destroy the spiritual side of the nature. It generally associates a per­son with bitter quarrels, even family ones, also with war, social upheavals, revolutions; and in some cases it indicates making money and position thorough wars or by wars. It is however a warn­ing of treachery, deception by others, also danger from the elements such as storms, danger from water, fires and explosions. When this "compound" number appears in working out dates in advance, such a date should be taken with a great amount of care, caution and circumspection.

19.

This number is regarded as fortunate and extremely favorable. It is symbolized as "the Sun" and is called "the Prince of Heaven." It is a number promising happiness, success, esteem and honor and promises success in one's plan for the future.

20.     This number is called "the Awakening"; also "the Judgement". It is symbolized by the figure of a winged angel soun­ding a trumpet, while from below a man, a woman, and a child are seen rising from a tomb with their hands clasped in prayer.
This number has a peculiar interpretation; the call to action, but for some great purpose, cause or duty. It is not a material number and consequently is a doubtful one as far as worldly success is con­cerned. If used in relation to a future event, it denotes delays, hindrances to one's plans, which can only be conquered through the develop­ment of the spiritual side of nature.

21.

This number is symbolized by the picture of "the Universe", and it is also called "the Crown of the Magi". It is a number of ad­vancement, honors, elevation in life and general success. It means victory after long initiation and tests of determination. It is a for­tunate number of promise if it appears in any connection with future events.

22.

This number is symbolized by a " a Good Man blinded by the folly of others, with a knapsack on his back full of Arrows". In this picture he appears to offer no defense against a ferocious tiger which is attacking him. It is a warning number of illusion and delusion, a good person who lives in a fool's paradise; a dreamer of dreams who awakens only when surrounded by danger. It is also a number of false judgment owing to the influence of others.As a number in connection with future events, it is a warning and its meaning should be carefully noted.

23.

This number is called "the Royal Star of the Lion." It is a pro­mise of success, help from superiors and protection from those in high places. In dealing with future events it is a most fortunate number and a promise of success of one's plan's.

24.

This number is also fortunate; it promises the assistance and association of those of rank and position with one's plans; it also denotes gain through love and the opposite sex; it is a favorable number when it comes out in relation to future events.

25.

This is a number denoting strength gained through experience, and benefits obtained through observation of people and things. It is not deemed exactly "lucky", as its success is given through strife and trials in an earlier life. It is favorable when it appears in regard to the future.

26.

This number is full of the gravest warnings for the future. It foreshadows disasters brought about by association with others; ruin by bad speculations, by partnerships, unions and bad advice. If it comes out in connection with future events one should carefully consider the path one is treading.

27.

This is a good number and is symbolized as "the Sceptre." It is a promise of authority, power and command. It indicates that reward will come from the productive intellect; that the creative faculties have sown good seeds that will reap a harvest. Persons with this "command" number at their back should carry out their own ideas and plans. It is a fortunate number if it appears in any connection with future events.

28.

This number is full of contradictions. It indicates a person of great promise and possibilities who is likely to see all taken away from him unless he carefully provides for the future. It indicates loss through trust in others, opposition and competition in trade, danger of loss through law, and the likelihood of having to begin life's road over and over again.

29.

It is not a fortunate number for the indication  of future events. This number indicates uncertainties, treachery, and deception of others; it foreshadows trials, tribulation, and unexpected dangers, unreliable friends, and grief and deception caused by members of the opposite sex. It gives grave warning if it comes out in anything concerning future events.

30.

This is a number of thoughtful deduction, retrospection, and mental superiority over one's fellows, but as it seems to belong completely to the mental plane, the persons it represents, are likely to put all material things on one side — not because they have to, but because they wish to do so. For this reason it is neither for­tunate nor unfortunate, for either depends on the mental outlook of the person it represents. It can be all powerful, but it is just as often indifferent according to the will or desire of the person.

31.

This number is very similar to the preceding one, except that the person it represents is even more self-contacted, lonely, and isolated from his fellows. It is not a fortunate number from a worldly or material standpoint.

32.

This number has a magical power like the single 5, or the "command" numbers 14 and 23. It is usually associated with combina­tions of people or nations. It is a fortunate number if the person it represents holds to his own judgment and opinions; if not, his plans are likely to be wrecked by the stubbornness and stupidity of others. It is a favorable number if it appears in connection with future events.

33.

This number has no potency of its own and consequently has the same meaning as 24 — which is also a 6 — and the next to it in its own series of "compound" numbers.

34.

Has the same meaning as the number 25, which is the one next to it in its own series of "compound" numbers.

35.

Has the same meaning as the number 26, which is the one next to it in its own series of "compound" numbers.

36.

Has the same meaning as the number 27, which is the one next to it in its own series of "compound" numbers.

37.

This number has a distinct potency of its own. It is a number of good and fortunate friendships in love, and in combinations con­nected with the opposite sex. It is also good for partnerships of all kinds. It is a fortunate indication if it appears in connection with future events.

38.

Has the same meaning as the number 29, which is the one next to it in its own series of "compound" numbers.

39.

Has the same meaning as the number 30, which is the one next to it in its own series of "compound" numbers.

40.

Has the same meaning as the number 31, which is the one next to it in its own series of "compound" numbers.

41.

Has the same meaning as the number 32, which is one next to it in its own series of "compound" numbers.

42.

Has the same meaning as the number 24.

43.

This is an unfortunate number. It is symbolized by the signs of revolution, upheaval, strife, failure, and prevention and is not a fortunate number if it comes out in calculation relating to future events.

44.

Has the same meaning as 26.

45.

Has the same meaning as 27.

46.

Has the same meaning as 37.

47.

Has the same meaning as 29.

48.

Has the same meaning as 30.

49.

Has the same meaning as 31.

50.

Has the same meaning as 32.

51.

This number has a very powerful potency of its own. It represents the nature of the warrior; it promises sudden advance­ment in whatever one undertakes; it is especially favorable for those in military or naval life and for leaders in any cause. At the same time it threatens enemies, dangers and the likelihood of assassination.

52.

Has the same meaning as 43.
We have now completed the 52 numbers which represent the 52 weeks of our year, and for all practical purposes there is no necessi­ty to proceed further.



i could go on and on but you will find little that speaks of sounds  

leeya brooke thompson  is one author and numerologist that has written books that introduce sounds and photics into the chaldean system .
i am sure there are others  barns and noble  i think it was, gives 770 enteries for books on numerology .

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Post by drrnwynbchnbrgr » Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:18 pm

i prefer the western form and use it in most cases  i have sent hundreds of reports and readings to people and with  little or no negative feed back

i am a very open minded person   but to say something doesnt work   is not enough  why doesnt it work  and who is say it doesnt work  and why are they saying this  .

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Post by 3leaf » Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:29 pm

Hi, I see you made a effort and go through web and find there some explanations.

But I tell you still this,

I do not accept two meanings for my name ....

When is a born child, we dont tell parents, it is boy in chaldean and it is a girl in pythagoras.

There is a mess! What does my name means. I cant be number 5 and number 3 either!

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Post by drrnwynbchnbrgr » Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:17 pm

"I do not accept two meanings for my name' ....  just because you do not accept it does not mean it isnt right   the 3 and 5 have some common energy vibrations    i mentioned enneagram  as a second study to numerology  for within this system  the wings of the 5 or 3 and 4   which could explain things .we must also be aware that a person has many numbers within a chart  any of these vibrations could be at the forefront in our daily walk .denial is a very powerful limit that can show its self as well .

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