Do you think strikes are a good way to protest against someone hitting someone else? Today in kolkata, it is a "bandh" wherein you wont find a single vehicle on the road. Buses were burnt yesterday... and many office goers were stranded during peak office hours!
what is the world coming to?
Strikes-- a way to protest??
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Here in England we have a postman strike so no post is getting delivered. I think that strikes are unfair. If I was to strike at work I would get sacked immediately. Striking is like blackmail, "we want more and won't work till we get it!" Well so many millions out of workperhaps they should just move over and let someone else do the work.
Swetha I have no idea about your sentence though hitting another? Violence should never be condoned, violence creates violence. But whay cause upset to innocent travellers? It's one thing to have a peaceful demonstration to get the news and media attention but when it affects others then it isn't fair.
Swetha I have no idea about your sentence though hitting another? Violence should never be condoned, violence creates violence. But whay cause upset to innocent travellers? It's one thing to have a peaceful demonstration to get the news and media attention but when it affects others then it isn't fair.
I see protesting as just fueling the problem. Especially when it comes to Gov. It's like saying we want you to govern over us but to it when a way we like.
Much better to just take responsibility and claim sovereignty. Coincidentally that is what the word democracy actually means; the strength of the people together, and not pick who you want to rule over you.
If it's job related then think of the employment system as a trojan horse. It has gotten into communities by appearing to be a gift. Before there was such a thing and places where there is no such thing people just do what need doing out of common sense and they don't complain that their not getting paid well enough because their pay comes as the fruits of their labor.
Do cells in your body complain when they take away dead cells and toxins that their not getting paid enough? Or do they do so knowing that if the body is free of hindrance that it can function at a higher level and the benefit of their efforts can be reaped in that?
Much better to just take responsibility and claim sovereignty. Coincidentally that is what the word democracy actually means; the strength of the people together, and not pick who you want to rule over you.
If it's job related then think of the employment system as a trojan horse. It has gotten into communities by appearing to be a gift. Before there was such a thing and places where there is no such thing people just do what need doing out of common sense and they don't complain that their not getting paid well enough because their pay comes as the fruits of their labor.
Do cells in your body complain when they take away dead cells and toxins that their not getting paid enough? Or do they do so knowing that if the body is free of hindrance that it can function at a higher level and the benefit of their efforts can be reaped in that?
Re: Strikes-- a way to protest??
Hi!swetha wrote:Do you think strikes are a good way to protest against someone hitting someone else? Today in kolkata, it is a "bandh" wherein you wont find a single vehicle on the road. Buses were burnt yesterday... and many office goers were stranded during peak office hours!
what is the world coming to?
Sounds like you live in France
Permission to live in a civilized reality is fought for. Nobody likes that part. But it is real.
You maintain a peaceful message board so that we can all be a part of something that is good.
Who hit who? And why did they hit them?
"What is this world coming too?" quote Swetha.
Everybody in this world fights for their own "rice bowl." Or they and their family have no life. All aggression in this world is defending your "rice bowl" or taking somebody elses "rice bowl" away from them. Either that or they are just "plain mean" and a monster that needs to be stopped.
"Who hit who?" and, "Why did they hit them who was hit?" India and the world today is better because we can all ask those two questions and survive the experience
just love,
sunny
PS: Swetha what is going on in your neck of the woods? This is a global community
Ah yes the USAAegeus wrote:I see protesting as just fueling the problem. Especially when it comes to Gov. It's like saying we want you to govern over us but to it when a way we like.
Much better to just take responsibility and claim sovereignty. Coincidentally that is what the word democracy actually means; the strength of the people together, and not pick who you want to rule over you.
If it's job related then think of the employment system as a trojan horse. It has gotten into communities by appearing to be a gift. Before there was such a thing and places where there is no such thing people just do what need doing out of common sense and they don't complain that their not getting paid well enough because their pay comes as the fruits of their labor.
Do cells in your body complain when they take away dead cells and toxins that their not getting paid enough? Or do they do so knowing that if the body is free of hindrance that it can function at a higher level and the benefit of their efforts can be reaped in that?
Government by the people for the people India reached the point where they complained to Britain and Britain left. There was not enough Brits to hold India against an angry population
And now India is exploring democracy with thousands and thousands of years of tradition to slow things down
I love the India people! And they ain't stupid and they are going to be players and a gift to this world that we all live in. Just love,
sunny
"A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within"
India has been protected from a lot of tyranny through out history due to it's strong culture. It has also proven that colonization can only happen if it is allowed to. If it has gone through all that only to adopt the very same corrupt Government structures which it has denied in the past then there is still something to be learned.
The US regime poses as a democracy by using voting systems. True democracy would be consensus based by those effected and those voicing the effected. A fundamental flaw with voting is plants and animals don't get a vote yet they are very directly effected.
If a great civilization ca not be conquered from without then the current state of authoritarian Government posing as democracy is impart due to the gov, having learned from all the tyrants of history but as there can not be a perpetrator without a victim and as it takes two to tango, it is due in large part to the failure of people to govern them selves adequately.
India has been protected from a lot of tyranny through out history due to it's strong culture. It has also proven that colonization can only happen if it is allowed to. If it has gone through all that only to adopt the very same corrupt Government structures which it has denied in the past then there is still something to be learned.
The US regime poses as a democracy by using voting systems. True democracy would be consensus based by those effected and those voicing the effected. A fundamental flaw with voting is plants and animals don't get a vote yet they are very directly effected.
If a great civilization ca not be conquered from without then the current state of authoritarian Government posing as democracy is impart due to the gov, having learned from all the tyrants of history but as there can not be a perpetrator without a victim and as it takes two to tango, it is due in large part to the failure of people to govern them selves adequately.
Hi AegeusAegeus wrote:"A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within"
India has been protected from a lot of tyranny through out history due to it's strong culture. It has also proven that colonization can only happen if it is allowed to. If it has gone through all that only to adopt the very same corrupt Government structures which it has denied in the past then there is still something to be learned.
The US regime poses as a democracy by using voting systems. True democracy would be consensus based by those effected and those voicing the effected. A fundamental flaw with voting is plants and animals don't get a vote yet they are very directly effected.
If a great civilization ca not be conquered from without then the current state of authoritarian Government posing as democracy is impart due to the gov, having learned from all the tyrants of history but as there can not be a perpetrator without a victim and as it takes two to tango, it is due in large part to the failure of people to govern them selves adequately.
and no truer words were ever spoken than what you said. I agree with you. Love,
sunny
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I find strikes to be a perfect example of typical human stupidity - protesting is a useful way of blowing off steam, but if you want your conditions changed then it is simply a waste of resources because it is not extreme enough.
One way or the other, I definitely agree with those here who say that changing your conditions is up to yourself.
One way or the other, I definitely agree with those here who say that changing your conditions is up to yourself.
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When we stand alone, then we are weak...when we stand together as a group, then we are stronger, as nation we defend our sovereignty.
As worker alone, you have few, or small impact on your wages and working conditions. It is up to the owner to pay what he think he can get away with, and if you don't agree, and other are willing to take your place, then the only answer given to your request is "take it or leave it"
When we organize ourselves in groups, then our request for fair treatment become stronger, and the owner can see that his decision is not the only one that count...but it count for all inside the group ie all inside making of cloth.
When such strike arise, then other will always suffer, including those who goes to strike. The income for them decrease, the income for merchant decrease, the income for the society decrease due to less money to spend.
The society will therefore put a pressure on the merchants to get an agreement, so again values can be created and spent.
So when we feel hit by a legal strike, then understand that this strike also have a value for you, even if you aren't a part of it now, because if something is forced to be better inside one trade, other follow, and get an easier task because they can point to the one succeeded.
So strike is a way to bring society forward, to more equality, as long as it is in hands of responsible leaders
As worker alone, you have few, or small impact on your wages and working conditions. It is up to the owner to pay what he think he can get away with, and if you don't agree, and other are willing to take your place, then the only answer given to your request is "take it or leave it"
When we organize ourselves in groups, then our request for fair treatment become stronger, and the owner can see that his decision is not the only one that count...but it count for all inside the group ie all inside making of cloth.
When such strike arise, then other will always suffer, including those who goes to strike. The income for them decrease, the income for merchant decrease, the income for the society decrease due to less money to spend.
The society will therefore put a pressure on the merchants to get an agreement, so again values can be created and spent.
So when we feel hit by a legal strike, then understand that this strike also have a value for you, even if you aren't a part of it now, because if something is forced to be better inside one trade, other follow, and get an easier task because they can point to the one succeeded.
So strike is a way to bring society forward, to more equality, as long as it is in hands of responsible leaders
If we look closely at how our cost of living has increased over the years, you will find that it was unions greed that created the increases in costs, hence the need for higher wages.
At one point one of our trade unions decided to go for a 4 day work week with a 5 day salary. Now is that honest negotiation?
At one point one of our trade unions decided to go for a 4 day work week with a 5 day salary. Now is that honest negotiation?
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Yes....this is why I said...Responsible leaders.
The world have become small, and we are all interwoven in each other.
If we are to greedy, our wares and services become to expensive, and other Country find that they can buy the same wares from other places, for a lower price, which will lead to damage in the national economy.
Now China and India is of the fasted growing economies, China have a strong control on their people, even if they have got better paid over the last, India is a bit more open and might experience a bit more strike and unrest.
Up to a certain point this is good, but it is easy to go to far, and then working places are moved to other places, or back home....everything goes on the figure on the bottom line.
If we remember back, then England had a lot of strikes in the mine and shipbuilding industry, which destroyed much of their creditability for regular deliverance.
France is strong in strike, but one way or another they manage to do it so big that the government have to give in, and in a way it show that people have the power if used right.
We (Norway) have been way to greedy with lots of strikes in the 1980-90, which put us far back in the industry, we was saved by our oil.
For the last 10-15 years there have been a collaboration between workers union, the industry, and the government where they together find out how big the increase in benefit(salary) can be, in order to be able to sell their gods or services.
So yes, strike is a good tool....but a dangerous one...like a double edged sword...so one shall not always choose the leader that speak loudest....but maybe the one who are able to evaluate
The world have become small, and we are all interwoven in each other.
If we are to greedy, our wares and services become to expensive, and other Country find that they can buy the same wares from other places, for a lower price, which will lead to damage in the national economy.
Now China and India is of the fasted growing economies, China have a strong control on their people, even if they have got better paid over the last, India is a bit more open and might experience a bit more strike and unrest.
Up to a certain point this is good, but it is easy to go to far, and then working places are moved to other places, or back home....everything goes on the figure on the bottom line.
If we remember back, then England had a lot of strikes in the mine and shipbuilding industry, which destroyed much of their creditability for regular deliverance.
France is strong in strike, but one way or another they manage to do it so big that the government have to give in, and in a way it show that people have the power if used right.
We (Norway) have been way to greedy with lots of strikes in the 1980-90, which put us far back in the industry, we was saved by our oil.
For the last 10-15 years there have been a collaboration between workers union, the industry, and the government where they together find out how big the increase in benefit(salary) can be, in order to be able to sell their gods or services.
So yes, strike is a good tool....but a dangerous one...like a double edged sword...so one shall not always choose the leader that speak loudest....but maybe the one who are able to evaluate
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