the astral world

[firefly43210]

does anybody have some experience on  the astral world? i have forgotten much and not visited it for long  .

[eye_of_tiger]

With respect this survey is rather a pointless exercise, as we live at the level we currently are prepared or adapted to live at and whose vibratory frequency most closely matches our own, which could be the physical or the astral.

It is not to a large extent our choice or preference as to which one we are living in at the moment.

It is much more to do with cause and effect.

Also the survey and your question are not in line with each other.

There are really two separate questions here.

The astral planes are not designed merely as a playground or place for us to massage our egos or visit whenever we get too bored or frustrated with the challenges which we continue to face at this physical level.

Some members may have misunderstood my intentions when I posted the following item in the main psychic forum.

http://mysticboard.org/vi ... hp?t=83682

My intention was NOT to promote astral projection as the universal toy or solution for all our human limitations and failings, or as something to be done for frivolous, sexual or malicious purposes.

If you ever want to see how spiritually minded some of the practitioners of astral projection are, look at this.

"Can I Peep Into Her Bathroom While Astral Projecting?”

http://astralprojectnow.com/astralblog/?p=211

Also look up the term ASTRAL MANIPULATION, using your favourite internet search engine.

Then you will be much better informed as to the real non spiritual reasons why many but certainly not all people want to learn to astrally project on demand.

EoT

[firefly43210]

you can  live in  the astral world just as you live in  this world . you just have to leave your physical body behind . do you know what happens when  someone dies ? a dead man  has no physical body , though he may have an  astral body . he can  live in  the astral world as long as he wishes . till he is reborn  .it is mainly your choice .and if you cut the silver chord of an  astral traveler , he is unable to return  to physical world .

what i mean  is that it does not involve vibrations rather it involves life . for a resident of astral world is necessarily dead for you . though the astral world is more or less like the physical world .and the dead man  is not necessarily dead .

you need not be serious minded for astral projection  . in  dream state astral projection  is a natural phenomenon  .

astral world does not message anyone's egos .or make up for human  shortcomings .it is just another world in side our world .and you would be surprised to know how many people live there .but it is a different world where you need no food and supplies .and you don't grow old there .angels and all other things you know about and can  not see lives there .

you can  confirm  all these with astral projection .go there and see for yourself .

[eye_of_tiger]

You really need to look at why anyone would want to continually live in the astral world. Perhaps it is as a means of escaping or avoiding having to face the challenges in this one.

Such as having to grow old.

That is the point. You do not have to do this seriously for morally valid reasons, which is why the authors of some of the books describing methods for astrally projecting featured a cover which effectively amounted to soft pornography in an attempt to lure young males into using it as a peep show. Black magic practitioners have much darker reasons for astrally projecting than this.

Astral manipulation and psychic attack.

You are incorrectly assuming that I have never travelled on the astral planes and therefore feel that I have no knowledge of it other than from a book, while the truth of the matter is that I have used it myself on several occasions for the purposes of healing complete strangers, as well as participating in soul rescues.

I am choosing to take the considerable risks involved in having to pass through the lower astral planes in order to do my work, which you fail to mention as being inhabited by entities who range somewhere between lost and evil.

I do not do this with the intention or desire to impress others with my abilities, and prefer to move around in a real world environment, whenever astral travel is not necessary. You on the other hand seem to see this physical plane and the astral ones as the only two alternatives, which is clearly not the case.

I have read some of your other postings and based upon them I believe that I have a fairly good idea of what purposes you would use your ability to astrally project, and they are I fear purposes which are likely to lead to trouble both for yourself as well as for anyone who wants to have a relationship with you. I realise that you do not want to hear this, or have it known by others.

And to make things worse it may not only be in this lifetime as the abuse of these abilities can have serious negative karmic consequences for any soul who wants to use them for all but the right reasons.

The astral planes themselves are best avoided unless you do have a good reason for visiting them, such as healing and soul rescues.

The idea of any astral inhabitant either temporary or permanent cutting someone else's silver cord sounds very much to me like murder.

It is designed to break or dissolve spontaneously by itself when the time for that particular soul to make an exit has arrived, and any suggestion that breaking it before then has an ethical reason which is not ego driven is a thinly veiled attempt to hide the real reasons, which are anything but being spiritual or beneficent ones.

So I will gladly turn down your invitation to try it and see if you know what you are talking about, and because I might enjoy it as much as you obviously do. I still have quite enough to accomplish on this level without having to continually wanting to escape into an endless dreamlike world where I do not belong or choose to be, other than for the positive reasons which I have already mentioned above.

Be careful of what you wish for and imagine is the reason for being given these abilities to travel outside of the physical, as you might just get it, and find out to your horror too late that you do not like or want it as much as you expected to.

EoT

[firefly43210]

You really need to look at why anyone would want to continually live in the astral world. Perhaps it is as a means of escaping or avoiding having to face the challenges in this one.

Such as having to grow old.

That is the point. You do not have to do this seriously for morally valid reasons, which is why the authors of some of the books describing methods for astrally projecting featured a cover which effectively amounted to soft pornography in an attempt to lure young males into using it as a peep show. Black magic practitioners have much darker reasons for astrally projecting than this.

Astral manipulation and psychic attack.

You are incorrectly assuming that I have never travelled on the astral planes and therefore feel that I have no knowledge of it other than from a book, while the truth of the matter is that I have used it myself on several occasions for the purposes of healing complete strangers, as well as participating in soul rescues.

I am choosing to take the considerable risks involved in having to pass through the lower astral planes in order to do my work, which you fail to mention as being inhabited by entities who range somewhere between lost and evil.

I do not do this with the intention or desire to impress others with my abilities, and prefer to move around in a real world environment, whenever astral travel is not necessary. You on the other hand seem to see this physical plane and the astral ones as the only two alternatives, which is clearly not the case.

I have read some of your other postings and based upon them I believe that I have a fairly good idea of what purposes you would use your ability to astrally project, and they are I fear purposes which are likely to lead to trouble both for yourself as well as for anyone who wants to have a relationship with you. I realise that you do not want to hear this, or have it known by others.

And to make things worse it may not only be in this lifetime as the abuse of these abilities can have serious negative karmic consequences for any soul who wants to use them for all but the right reasons.

The astral planes themselves are best avoided unless you do have a good reason for visiting them, such as healing and soul rescues.

The idea of any astral inhabitant either temporary or permanent cutting someone else's silver cord sounds very much to me like murder.

It is designed to break or dissolve spontaneously by itself when the time for that particular soul to make an exit has arrived, and any suggestion that breaking it before then has an ethical reason which is not ego driven is a thinly veiled attempt to hide the real reasons, which are anything but being spiritual or beneficent ones.

So I will gladly turn down your invitation to try it and see if you know what you are talking about, and because I might enjoy it as much as you obviously do. I still have quite enough to accomplish on this level without having to continually wanting to escape into an endless dreamlike world where I do not belong or choose to be, other than for the positive reasons which I have already mentioned above.

Be careful of what you wish for and imagine is the reason for being given these abilities to travel outside of the physical, as you might just get it, and find out to your horror too late that you do not like or want it as much as you expected to.

EoT

i more or less agree with you . only that i am  homesick and want to return  where my family is . to kamroop , India behind the portal of truth .

and i don't need to worry about lower planes where gateways and the predators live . i have means that can  take me there in  a blink .

because i feel homesick i wished to have some news of that plane . thanks.

[sohini1234]

Astral world is a varied and lengthy subject . for which no discussion should be sufficient . though i understand the risk of amatures venturing out in the open in astral world and getting themselves killed {probably and most most assuredly .} still it is necessary to know for the knowledge itself what is behind the vail of death . one should ask the questions - what is death ? is it a reality , or just an illusion ? or maybe what happens after a man dies ? or what are and how are the beings like angels and kind whom we have held pescious ? what are ghosts ? and what is lucifer ?

[firefly43210]

I don't like to look obstinate and foolish . but I would really appreciate to know about the new kind of dangers that have sprung up in the recent years due to pollution and human savagery . because someone hinted that it is not the same as when I last walked the roads there . Though I need not walk the roads again but still I need to know the reality .
Please , someone .....  :smt090  :smt102

[spiritalk]

ASTRAL TRAVEL PITFALLS


I often see articles and comments referring to the astral plane and using this term synonymous with ‘dreaming’, ‘O.B.E.’, and ‘spiritual’ plane.  This is very misleading and incorrect.  

The main difference between any of the dimensions is the vibration frequency.  The highest frequency there is: the Eternal Unconditional Love and Light of the First Source and Centre: The Creator of All That Is.  Although all is one, the farther one gets from the Central Source, frequency drops until eventually you encounter the lowest frequency of energy – dense physical matter.

The astral plane is the lowest frequency non-physical plane.  It is where all the low vibration frequency thought forms, energies, entities exist, because they can literally only rise to the level that matches their vibration frequency.  This is also why it is relatively easy to astral travel.  

One does not need to raise their vibration frequency of Love and Light to do it, although it does help.  The problem is, the astral plane is basically the lowest of humanities negative thought forms, emotions, discarnate beings who passed away in an unconscious mindset.  This is why so many people report having problems there.  Yes, you can learn how to protect yourself, but then again, why play at this level?

Wise men throughout the ages have diligently raised their Love and Light quotients through a worldwide variety of disciplines in order to leap right over the top of this plane for the exact reasons mentioned.  Once you do this, you can and will begin to consciously work with the higher beings of Light on a personal basis.  I can guarantee you the higher dimensions are where the beings of Love, Light and Divine Wisdom reside, not the astral plane.

For all those people who have become adept at astral travel, I promise you, there is so much more beautiful ‘stuff’ in the higher dimensions awaiting you – with open arms.


Author Unknown

[firefly43210]

Dear spiritalk ,
I don't really understand the concept of vibrations . I have been to every plane and have not experienced any change in myself . Though I agree that the lower planes are full of malicious characters , but in my experience , that may be because they can not access the higher planes . You feel sleepy out there . The higher you go , the more sleepy you feel . Most of the people just fall asleep if they try to access the higher planes . Only the true and the strong of heart can make it to the higher layers of astral region .
t may be explained as , the astral layer is divided into many parts .
[1] astral layer
[2] soul layer
[3] spirit layer
[4]mind layer
[5]subconscious layer which is again divided into -
<1> black hole
<2> big bang
<3> tunnel
(these three are names of astronomical entities , I use the names as the subconscious stays in different energy levels there . As nobody has cared to name the states of mind there , I am using the names of physical entities . Where big bang is in a higher level than black hole and tunnel is in a higher level than big bang . )

Of course there are so much more beautiful ‘stuff’ in the higher dimensions because only good and honest people populate the higher levels . And the heavens are there , in the soul layer .

I have forgotten about the mind layer but I have heard it is better still .

But my job concerns the lower astral layers as most of the people live there .

[eye_of_tiger]

But my job concerns the lower astral layers as most of the people live there .

Your job?

But many of the people who you claim live on the lower astral levels are not the sort of people one would ever want to associate with, regardless of what plane they are currently living on at the time.

At best the astral planes serve as a temporary halfway house for soul's who later progress to higher spiritual levels, but at worst it is a haven or sanctuary for criminals, spiritual delinquents and those poor souls who cannot face the challenges they are presented with by the physical world, but at the same time are unwilling or unable (usually a little of both) to leave it fully behind them, and move forwards into the Light..

Spiritalk has given you her carefully considered opinions and ideas about the potential harmful consequences of what you are doing, which are based upon her significant experience in dealing with residents of these other spiritual planes.

But if you are determined to continue this risky behavior in spite of her warnings that you could be putting your soul in great danger through your astral escape from reality, then there is nothing that we can do to stop you.

I do not see any useful purpose being served by you continuing to try to get her to change her responsible attitudes towards protecting your safety, when you are obviously unwilling to change your behavior in the light of what wise advice she has given you.

This is quickly turning from a discussion or purely intellectual debate into a personal attack upon Spiritalk and her beliefs and ethics, and I refuse to stand by and allow this to happen without adding my own comments, &nbsp;especially when one of my most respected friends and someone who has always done what she has thought was in the best interests of all of our members is being treated in this completely unfair and disrespectful manner.

Not that Spiritalk is incapable of defending herself, but please keep to the original subject and helping and respecting each other attitudes that we require from all our members. if this forum is going to be able to work as it was designed to by the site owner. Leave Spiritalk out of this discussion in future, unless of course she decides to make any further contributions which is always her right to do so.

We want to keep you as a well accepted member of Mystic Board.

What are you going to do about it, so that this can happen?

Thank you,

EoT

[firefly43210]

Dear Eye of tiger ,
Spiritalk is an angel , and I would never dream of hurting her . But well that you came for her defence.
I am not in opposition with Spiritalk , I respect her profoundly . This is a truth .
She has time and again stated against astral travel and what tells you that I would leave my body in a hurry and go to those planes ?
I said I have another 10 yrs of natural life and I intend to wear that out , no point in escaping .


--"I refuse to stand by and allow this to happen without adding my own comments, &nbsp;especially when one of my most respected friends and someone who has always done what she has thought was in the best interests of all of our members is being treated in this completely unfair and disrespectful manner. "--

I am sorry to know you found disrespect in my behaviour . She is a Revered Mother who has served humanity in more ways than I have in this life . It would be really crude to show her disrespect . Specially when she was reminding me of the beautiful things awaiting me there .

I am terribly eager to find those beautiful things .

I am crazy about those beautiful things !

But I am not going to flee , I have promised to stay here , and I will . But that does not mean we can not discuss the conditions there . I was really inquisitive .

About my job , would it suffice that I have to go to the lower planes , because none else would have the ability amongst my people to face the dangers there ?

I need not associate with the cursed living there , most of the time I have to go there to rescue someone and I do just that .

--" Spiritalk has given you her carefully considered opinions and ideas about the potential harmful consequences of what you are doing, which are based upon her significant experience in dealing with residents of these other spiritual planes. "--

Why do you say I am doing ?
I am not doing anything except discussing .

--" At best the astral planes serve as a temporary halfway house for soul's who later progress to higher spiritual levels, but at worst it is a haven or sanctuary for criminals, spiritual delinquents and those poor souls who cannot face the challenges they are presented with by the physical world, but at the same time are unwilling or unable (usually a little of both) to leave it fully behind them, and move forwards into the Light.. "--

Of course it is , but when some good fellow die , someone must take them out of that place . I belong to the people who are ordained to save those people who are good and don't deserve to rot in the lower planes .

--"Not that Spiritalk is incapable of defending herself, but please keep to the original subject and helping and respecting each other attitudes that we require from all our members. if this forum is going to be able to work as it was designed to by the site owner. Leave Spiritalk out of this discussion in future, unless of course she decides to make any further contributions which is always her right to do so. "--

Spiritalk is an angel , and I can not dream of leaving her out . I value her words more than many , that is why there had been so many words . Otherwise I would have left the matter , and did whatever I wished .

--"We want to keep you as a well accepted member of Mystic Board.
What are you going to do about it, so that this can happen?
"--

I really don't know the answer to this question . Being popular is not my cup of tea . If you speak about following the rules , I will say that I would not even bend a rule knowingly . But being popular is something else .

I mean why should one like someone who would speak against popular belief ? In my experience one has to support the majority to be popular . Please don't ask me to speak the sweet lies . I would better refrain from speaking .