What is the difference between Gemology and Crystal Healing?

Know the right astral gems that can make your life progressive

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What is the difference between Gemology and Crystal Healing?

Post by Gem » Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:32 pm

I wonder how many people know the difference between using crystals for healing and using gemstones as astro-gems or vedic gemstones?

I have spent a long time today thinking, reading some wonderful emails (thanks xx)  and realised that perhaps this was one subject that should be posted about?

This board has the title Gemology - Know the right astral gems that can make your life progressive

The ideas and beliefs differ greatly between using 'crystals' for their healing properties; that is..... any old crystal, every crystal, whether tarnished, raw, dirty, cracked, chipped, broken, cloudy, bought on a Monday, Tuesday or anyday; and gemstones that have to be a specific weight, lustre, set in a certain metal in a certain way and bought on a specific day, worn on a specific finger according to your birth chart or extreme bad luck and ill health will result.

I am very open minded, I have studied both and can kinda switch between the two, my beliefs here are immaterial, but I do respect and honour others and so it might help to start a topic about this so that perhaps we can all discuss the differences?


The New Crystal Healing board is here Crystal Healing Board

I think many people use crystals and want to learn more and that lust for knowledge isn't refined to just gemology.... or is it?

So now we have a place for each branch of using crystals and gemstones :)

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Post by EarlofLeicester » Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:13 pm

Forgive the lack of knowledge, but can you describe in layman's terms, what gemology is?  (And what crystal healing is, although intuitively obvious, I guess, but there must be differences between that and gemology).  Also, if a crystal calls to me, what exactly is that?  Gemology?  Crystal healing?  Something else?  Anyway, lots of questions...
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Post by flight _of_angelwings » Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:18 pm

Hmmmm the difference?????

Well I really am unable to say the difference, I'm just not that brainy I'm more airy fairy i work with spirit too much...haha......  I'll tell you what this forum means for me even if it is not what it 'really is intended'
Ok I just love crystal and I have many gems, stones, crystals etc etc.  I occasionally will use them as healing on friends etc but they really are all handpicked by me for me to look at in awe to hold and delight in the beauty of such a delicate gorgeous piece of the earth.  
I will find I am drawn to specific ones at specific times.....
On here what I would love is to just post picks ask people what other properties this crystal may have that I neglected to jot down when buying it or found it.  See pics of others gorgeous collection.  I would love to know the make up of the stones, how they were brought to birth (dont know a better word I only just woke up)......I would like to find out others experiences with them both peronally and professionally.  In healing or just collecting!

I'm just on the road for extra knowledge about anything with them.  I've never taken courses its all learnt over the last few years and what I read in books, lapidary club etc etc.....

did all that make sense?

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Post by EarlofLeicester » Sat Mar 03, 2007 2:44 am

Ummm... did all that make sense? you ask.  Well, I appreciate the effort and enthusiasm, to be sure.  You're a nice person who tried to answer my questions but I don't know enough to interpret all that.  But thanks for trying.  (I guess I need it dumbed down more for someone like me who just doesn't get it ;)
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Post by flight _of_angelwings » Sat Mar 03, 2007 3:38 am

Earl no I dont really understand the difference between the two either?  I know the healing side of it that is the use of crystals to work on the chakras and help with aid, pain, blocks etc within the physical and emotional body.  I use green and pink fluorite for my arthritic pain and that works well for e.g.  

The gemology bit has me a little stumped I had assumed that covered all aspects of crystals you know the healing, grid layouts, the lapidary areas, the make up of the stones I thought thats what it means or maybe its just a communication breakdown on my half of my synaps' in the brain have misfired yet again......hehe

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Post by BrightNight » Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:06 am

Hi! Sorry to barge into this discussion! But I am tarot reader and understand the astrological aspects of a being with reference to astrology and am psychic too!

I have not studied gems and crystals so all my knowledge is that is told to me or I have connected with by experimenting with various gems and crystals!

:smt003

Gems:

These are precious stones in various colors that relate to certains planets! When we are born, we carry with us certain qualities and elements within us, which makes us what we are, aura and persona and characterisitics! Some people are similar and some are different!

We normally attract those who have more of a particular vibration that is deficient with us! For example, if I have more of mars energy and someone has less of it, they will automatically want to connect with me because life becomes easy for them with my presence or I may repel those who have more of the same energy that I have! (This is just an example)

Hence, gems vibrate on a certain level and give the rays to a person who uses them for healing any aspect of their lives! Gems are to be worn on certain fingers since astrology designates those fingers to their respective planets!

Crystals:

They are natural stones which create energy and a  feeling of elation, mostly used in healing and bringing positive energies in the environment! They are also good absorbers so they are very powerful healers!

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Post by flight _of_angelwings » Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:46 am

Thanks Brightnight for helping me to understand that.  Now I can see the difference.  So thats why theres birth stones and such?  

So I'm assuming the term Gemology is for people who study this aspect of Gems etc.  Well correct me if I'm wrong (I can hear the keys on keyboards now tapping away...hehe) then gems and crystals and the intent from both sides is healing and using them to help us gain our full potential and balance us appropriately.  

Theres so much information and so much to learn...how exciting!

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Post by EarlofLeicester » Sat Mar 03, 2007 3:04 pm

Thanks to Brightnight and Flight for the explanations (Flight, you didn't do that bad, really, just that you sometimes use terms I don't know in your answers, certainly no short circuit in your explanations!)  Lots to learn, I see.
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Post by BrightNight » Sun Mar 04, 2007 6:42 am

Hey Flight and Earl!

Thanks for the appreciation!

Flight, you asked about gems! As I see it, gems are used to complete a certain vibration, color or ray that is lacking in out body, aura or our being!


Each gem has certain qualities of being hot, cold, having ultra violet rays, etc
A lack of any of this in our body can result in variuos diseases and hence gems are used to cure them.

Gems are also used to sort out problems that a person has in their relations, work, whatever and the study of the astrological chart lets us know what exactly is deficient or what is wrong! However crystals are more general and they have a power of attraction and absorbing vibes, while gmes give those vibes!

Crystals are used to create a positive environment, positive being as they can attract the negative energies fast and hence need to be cleansed regularly!!!

I shall give my example here, I wear a bracelet with nine gems(main planets that influence a birth chart) to be a healthy me-mentally, physically and emotionally too!

Phewwwwww! Lol  :smt002
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Post by Gem » Mon Mar 05, 2007 2:19 pm

Some interesting replies, thanks :)

I just wanted to add a few ideas that may set some off researching more :)

The funny thing is... ALL gemstones ARE crystals lol!  There is no difference when looking from a crystal healers point of view, though Coral, Pearl, and Amber are organics, they do not have a crystalline structure but are worn and set in jewellery and so commonly fall under the heading crystals or gemstones.

Each stone has its own unique properties and energy vibrations.  

However from the ancient vedic gemologist's point of view ( and not all are in agreement with this) there are only 9 gemstones or nav-ratnas that count or matter and four more minor ones. All the others are thought to be inauspicious, bad luck or 'dirty'. Substitutions are thought to be dangerous.


Sun        Ruby (Maanik)                           2 Carats Gold,        on ring finger
Moon      Pearl (Moti)                                2 Carats Silver, on ring finger
Mars       Red Coral (Munga)                     3 Carats Gold or Silver, on ring finger    
Mercury  Emerald (Panna)                         1.5 carats  Gold, on ring or little finger
Jupiter    Yellow Sapphire (Pukhraj)         2 carat  Gold or silver on middle finger
Saturn     Blue Sapphire (Neelam)        2 carats Gold, on middle finger
Rahu      Hessonite ( cinnamon garnet) (Gomed)                 3 carats Gold or Silver, on middle finger
Ketu       Cat’s eye Chrysoberyl (Lahsuniya)     3 carats  Gold, in middle finger



.....only clean top quality gems are considered to be desirable. Sri Agni Puranam, chap. 246, slokas 7 & 8: states, "A gem free from all impurities and radiating its characteristic internal luster should be looked upon as an escort of good luck; A gem which is cracked, fissured, devoid of luster, or appearing rough or sandy, should not be used at all."

There are two widely debated opposing philosophies, viz., Anukul-vad v/s Pratikul-vad

ANUKULA-VAD: A Jyotish Gem will act "SAME" as it's planet - So gems should be chosen for Anukul (favorable) birth planets.
PRATIKUL-VAD: A Jyotish Gem will act "OPPOSITE" of it's planet - So gems should be chosen for Pratikul (unfavorable) birth planets.

The cost of these settings and gemstones is very expensive, much more than using a piece of raw ruby to balance a base chakra or holding a tumblestone of hematite for grounding.  Perhaps thats why so few were able to practise it?

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Post by sorceress426 » Tue Mar 06, 2007 11:44 pm

Okay, I hope this will clarify some what.

All crystals are minerals - made up of various gases and chemicals.  All Rocks are made up of a mineral, combined with an "earth"grain and gas.

3 types of rock:

Igneous - originate from magma; cooled below the earth - classified as intrusive (granite)
                                                cooled above the earth - classified as extrusive(, obsidian)

Sedimentary - organic accumulation (rock slides, floods); mineral or composite moved by variable forces.
                                              They form slowly and in layers (coal, sandstone, shale)

Metamorphic - rocks that are changed by heat ,pressure or permeation (slate, quartzite, marble)


Metamorphic rocks (geodes) are where most crystals come from. Others are found in Igneous & Sedimentary rocks. When broken open or cut into the "crystals" are in RAW form.

Gemstones are the end product of these crystals after they have been cut, shaped, and POLISHED. The cutting produces the light refraction, the shape fills the desire of the individual and the polish removes scratches from polishing and gives sheen.

Geology is the study of rock, crystal and mineral.

Gemology is the study of the art of producing gemstones for use in jewelry, etc.

Does one have more power than the other? My opinion is no.
While a rock or crystal in raw for may be lager, it still holds many of the impurities that gave it birth.
And as a gemstone is small, it is refined, cleaned, highly refractive, perfect.

The difference is cost.
Raw is relatively inexpensive. Gem is relatively more expensive.

Also keep in mind what you want to use it for, gemstones are easier to carry of wear. Raw crystals are better for placement in the home or on the body.

You wouldn't want to lose a diamond rolling over when it's easier to find and use coal. (diamonds are compressed coal).

Hope that helped some.

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Post by LillCrystalDragon » Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:57 am

awesome subject i was wondering this myself  actually...  so i took it in to search out some things myself  and found this below...  then ill type  why i like crystals so much myself..

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The combined art and science of studying, cutting, valuing, buying and selling precious stones. Some of the most precious stones that gemologists deal in include diamonds, rubies, sapphires and emeralds.

Gemology is spelled gemmology outside of North America.  
 
With advances in gemstone synthesis, gemology has become a much more important field of study. Gemologists value stones based on a number of factors, including cut, color, quality and clarity. When returns in the stock market decline, aggressive investors often seek out alternative investments that hold more promise of increasing returns on invested capital. Gemstone investing can appeal to people who want to make quick returns, but it is highly speculative and should be left to experienced professionals

and for what is crystal healing?

Crystal Healing - What is it?
Crystal healing is a form of healing that uses crystals or gemstones. The crystals are mainly placed on specific areas of the body called "chakras." Chakra is a Hindu term meaning spiritual energy. According to this teaching there are seven basic energy centers in the body, each having a color associated with it. Some crystal healers place the same color crystals as the color of the chakras on the person to enhance the flow of energy. Crystals are said to direct the flow of energy to the person in a particular part of the body and bring balance to a person's energy. Ultimately, they are used to cleanse the person from bad or negative energy believed to cause an illness. Clearing out the bad spiritual energy alleviates the physical ailment. Crystals are used for physical, mental, emotional and spiritual healing. Not only do people visit "crystal healers", in some places, professional nurses are being trained to use crystals for their patients. Additionally, crystals can be worn, placed next to a person's bed as they sleep, and in some cases placed around a person's bath.

here are the two links i found this bit of info  for others to inquire to lengthy

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/gemology.asp

http://www.allabouttheoccult.org/crystal-healing.htm


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ok now my version of it..

I loven my crystals for two or many reasons..  it helps me center  when im off balance..  2ndly im a strong believer in crystals  are warding off the dark spirits that try and attach them to me  without permission..  they cant handle the white bright light yeaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha!! feeeeeeel the power....
it has been tested in a ritual that happend last year with my soul twin and me and my bro and husband..  one tried to come near me but i was holding my crystal  they couldnt come into our circle becasue of our crystals.. i was holding mine..  i surely smelt them ohh boy  whew they stunk!  

other reasons  i use gem stones  and crystals  are  it energerizes me  and im one of them that gets  zappped by there energies lol...
i to am learning about them when i go to buy them  i walk around the shop and not touching anything  then all a sudden no word a lie i hear  take me take me take me so i go over to the crystals stare at em if i cant place a hand slightly above it to feel the energies..  if it zaps me then i know it called me to take it home lol...

other wise im still learning as to why im using my crystals so much  i dont even no half the time i just DO IT.

oh ps my soul twin and me and my totem animal white tiger we all share the exact same crystal  the six sided clear quartz point crystal..  my dragons love rolllin it off my hand it gives them the energy back as well as just playing with it..

Dragon's love and light

ps if you dont have a crystal  try and just purchase a small one  small ones have as much power as the larger ones....  its all how you use them..

namaste!

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Post by BrightNight » Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:37 am

Hi!

A gem stone is indeed a crystal but the powers and their ways of working are different! A crystal has indeed the properties of attraction and has an effect on water! They are stronger and dont work on planetary influences!

As far as astrology is concerned, I like to break from the path and i have noticed that the said norms of wearing stones in a particular finger or a particular metal dont really work! I check my cards for that and you will be surprised to note the different fingers they have suggested me for the different stones and it has worked for me!

However now, I just wear a bracelet of all the 9 gemstones which I find really pretty and beautiful and it works for me too!  :smt003
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Choosing Crystals/gems

Post by Suzyn » Fri Apr 20, 2007 7:49 pm

I go with the theory that if the crystal feels right then it is right.

There is nothing wrong in seeking crystals with certain properties and ofen do this in crystal healing, but when I need a boost I pick a bowl full of crystals and just pick the one I'm drawn to, either just to meditate on or look up the meaning - it can be a great divinatory tool to seek guidance for areas of life to focus on.
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Gemstones and Crystal

Post by richardredhawk » Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:51 am

There is more to the gemstones whether they are semi-precious, precious are cyrstals (quartz).
Beyond what I have seen on this forum/board gems and crystal are much more than jewelry and related to astrology. As a Native American we believe that they have a spirit just as people do in fact all living beings no matter if it is a fish or rock it is from that kingdom and has so much to do with helping us two legged out(that's humans), We respect all things and as two legged most of the rest of the kingdoms cannot get from point a to point b without the help of us two legged or the wing ones or the 4 legged or the swimmers. Plants, trees, herbs all rely on the other kingdoms to help them in their journey on this big blue marble.
The Stone People rely on us to get to where they are going helping those on the way that need their help. Being a higher being they all have task to perform beyond astrology and jewelry. I carry a medicine bag everywhere I go filled with unprocessed stones and other items as well as they do changhe from time to time what I carry. I rely on them to let me know what it is I have need of that day. Because this is a two way street so to speak as we come and go so do they on this red road journey.
So to say only an eye clean or cut and polished , in gold only or silver only is not respecting the being that resides inside the stone.
I have much respect for all cultures and if this is the only way then so be it, but next time you are selecting a stone ASK THAT STONE FIRST what is best for them to help you on your path. and you will be amazed at what your new found friend has to say, and share with you.

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