Blank Rune

[karpocrates]

I know I am probably going to get flamed for this, but here's my arguement against the 25th rune:

Numerologicly, having 24 runes makes sense, because 24 divides neatly into 3 aetts. The blank rune has no set that it fits into.

Even more importantly, however, the blank rune is redundant. The mysteries given to the blank rue are already a part of Perthro, rune of the unknown.

I also have a third reason I do not like the blank rune: by definition, each rune has certain attributes or qualities that make it a rune. One of these attributes is the runestave, or actual form of the rune. The blank rune has neither form, or phonetic value.

I understand that others may have a different view, and may not agree with what I have posted. I hope we can open up a respectful debate concerning the 25th rune.  :)

[EarlofLeicester]

I know I am probably going to get flamed for this, but here's my arguement against the 25th rune:

Numerologicly, having 24 runes makes sense, because 24 divides neatly into 3 aetts. The blank rune has no set that it fits into.

Even more importantly, however, the blank rune is redundant. The mysteries given to the blank rue are already a part of Perthro, rune of the unknown.

I also have a third reason I do not like the blank rune: by definition, each rune has certain attributes or qualities that make it a rune. One of these attributes is the runestave, or actual form of the rune. The blank rune has neither form, or phonetic value.

I understand that others may have a different view, and may not agree with what I have posted. I hope we can open up a respectful debate concerning the 25th rune.  :)

My opinion?  Well, I base it upon historical precedent.  Mainly that the runes are well over a thousand years old and that the runes we use should be the runes of that era.  There was no blank rune back then.  I think the blank rune came in the 1970s or 80s.  Regardless of whether people in the modern age think its necessary, the runes of Odin and the Germanic people didn't require it.  That's good enough for me.

[Nicole]

I know I am probably going to get flamed for this, but here's my arguement against the 25th rune:

Numerologicly, having 24 runes makes sense, because 24 divides neatly into 3 aetts. The blank rune has no set that it fits into.

Even more importantly, however, the blank rune is redundant. The mysteries given to the blank rue are already a part of Perthro, rune of the unknown.

I also have a third reason I do not like the blank rune: by definition, each rune has certain attributes or qualities that make it a rune. One of these attributes is the runestave, or actual form of the rune. The blank rune has neither form, or phonetic value.

I understand that others may have a different view, and may not agree with what I have posted. I hope we can open up a respectful debate concerning the 25th rune.  :)

My opinion?  Well, I base it upon historical precedent.  Mainly that the runes are well over a thousand years old and that the runes we use should be the runes of that era.  There was no blank rune back then.  I think the blank rune came in the 1970s or 80s.  Regardless of whether people in the modern age think its necessary, the runes of Odin and the Germanic people didn't require it.  That's good enough for me.

I have a program that has the runes on it.. I love it~!!
The blank one, Some days I like it some days I'm like "K" I seem to get that one alot...

[EarlofLeicester]

I know I am probably going to get flamed for this, but here's my arguement against the 25th rune:

Numerologicly, having 24 runes makes sense, because 24 divides neatly into 3 aetts. The blank rune has no set that it fits into.

Even more importantly, however, the blank rune is redundant. The mysteries given to the blank rue are already a part of Perthro, rune of the unknown.

I also have a third reason I do not like the blank rune: by definition, each rune has certain attributes or qualities that make it a rune. One of these attributes is the runestave, or actual form of the rune. The blank rune has neither form, or phonetic value.

I understand that others may have a different view, and may not agree with what I have posted. I hope we can open up a respectful debate concerning the 25th rune.  :)

My opinion?  Well, I base it upon historical precedent.  Mainly that the runes are well over a thousand years old and that the runes we use should be the runes of that era.  There was no blank rune back then.  I think the blank rune came in the 1970s or 80s.  Regardless of whether people in the modern age think its necessary, the runes of Odin and the Germanic people didn't require it.  That's good enough for me.

I have a program that has the runes on it.. I love it~!!
The blank one, Some days I like it some days I'm like "K" I seem to get that one alot...

Is that the program from this site or a different one?  If it's a different one, the name of the program would be appreciated!  :smt003

[misty-midnightrain]

I also agree with you. Blank Runes serve no purpose and the first ones ever made did not contain a blank rune. It was added on later.

[Nicole]

I know I am probably going to get flamed for this, but here's my arguement against the 25th rune:

Numerologicly, having 24 runes makes sense, because 24 divides neatly into 3 aetts. The blank rune has no set that it fits into.

Even more importantly, however, the blank rune is redundant. The mysteries given to the blank rue are already a part of Perthro, rune of the unknown.

I also have a third reason I do not like the blank rune: by definition, each rune has certain attributes or qualities that make it a rune. One of these attributes is the runestave, or actual form of the rune. The blank rune has neither form, or phonetic value.

I understand that others may have a different view, and may not agree with what I have posted. I hope we can open up a respectful debate concerning the 25th rune.  :)

My opinion?  Well, I base it upon historical precedent.  Mainly that the runes are well over a thousand years old and that the runes we use should be the runes of that era.  There was no blank rune back then.  I think the blank rune came in the 1970s or 80s.  Regardless of whether people in the modern age think its necessary, the runes of Odin and the Germanic people didn't require it.  That's good enough for me.

I have a program that has the runes on it.. I love it~!!
The blank one, Some days I like it some days I'm like "K" I seem to get that one alot...

Is that the program from this site or a different one?  If it's a different one, the name of the program would be appreciated!  :smt003

Fortune Teller,
My friend gave it to me years ago.. Hubby saved it on a CD.. It was on a floppy...LOL

[EarlofLeicester]

I know I am probably going to get flamed for this, but here's my arguement against the 25th rune:

Numerologicly, having 24 runes makes sense, because 24 divides neatly into 3 aetts. The blank rune has no set that it fits into.

Even more importantly, however, the blank rune is redundant. The mysteries given to the blank rue are already a part of Perthro, rune of the unknown.

I also have a third reason I do not like the blank rune: by definition, each rune has certain attributes or qualities that make it a rune. One of these attributes is the runestave, or actual form of the rune. The blank rune has neither form, or phonetic value.

I understand that others may have a different view, and may not agree with what I have posted. I hope we can open up a respectful debate concerning the 25th rune.  :)

My opinion?  Well, I base it upon historical precedent.  Mainly that the runes are well over a thousand years old and that the runes we use should be the runes of that era.  There was no blank rune back then.  I think the blank rune came in the 1970s or 80s.  Regardless of whether people in the modern age think its necessary, the runes of Odin and the Germanic people didn't require it.  That's good enough for me.

I have a program that has the runes on it.. I love it~!!
The blank one, Some days I like it some days I'm like "K" I seem to get that one alot...

Is that the program from this site or a different one?  If it's a different one, the name of the program would be appreciated!  :smt003

Fortune Teller,
My friend gave it to me years ago.. Hubby saved it on a CD.. It was on a floppy...LOL

Is it something you can e-mail me?  (A floppy's worth of files are a small attachment).  I am committed to renewing my runic studies!

[Vishwas]

If u guys don't mind, can u plz stop the quoting?? u can just post ur view instead of quote the entire last post, it takes less time to load the pages if everyone just Quotes when necessary, than quoteing every last post.

Thank you very much, & plz no offence or harm meant.

[Gem]

Lol Quote, quote quote quote..

The Blank Rune.. The Divine. The Rune of Odin lol, I think this is much like the blank tarot cards, 78 cards in a deck yet modern printing has to print 80 so unless the extra two are used for advertising or rules, meaning messages or spares that you can draw yourself, people sometimes use them as blank tarot.. a meaning that you decide.  I wonder how many runes have to be pressed in one batch? 25 seems a very round number to me..... perhaps that is the simple answer why modern day mass produced runes have the blank one?

[MoonGoddess]

Lol Quote, quote quote quote..

The Blank Rune.. The Divine. The Rune of Odin lol, I think this is much like the blank tarot cards, 78 cards in a deck yet modern printing has to print 80 so unless the extra two are used for advertising or rules, meaning messages or spares that you can draw yourself, people sometimes use them as blank tarot.. a meaning that you decide.  I wonder how many runes have to be pressed in one batch? 25 seems a very round number to me..... perhaps that is the simple answer why modern day mass produced runes have the blank one?

You know you probably are correct in saying this as the original runes were only 24 and The divine rune of Odin is actually Ansuz, called the mouth to do with communication and all things shaminic as Odin is the God of Shamanism amongst other things.  So the only use I can see for the blank rune besides confusing the reading it probably could be used as a spare incase you loose of break one.  In my experience though if you misplace or break a rune the set is never the same again and takes ages before you can use them again if ever.

[EarlofLeicester]

My understanding is that the blank rune was invented by Ralph Blum in 1980 (think that was the year) for his popular book/rune set.  As such, it has no place in authentic rune usage.  Consider this:

■ The runes were symbols of power and knowledge.  Emphasis on the word symbol.  The medium (such as wood or bone) was important, sure, but the power came from the engraved symbol.  A wood piece without a symbol can hardly be called a rune.  To be a rune mandates that a symbol be etched, engraved or whatever on the media.

■ Just so we are clear, if the ancient Norse people wanted a blank symbol, they would have engraved it.  Look at this sentence and how their are spaces between the words.  We use the lack of a symbol (by hitting the space bar) to impose a blank symbol between words.  This may seem obvious but let us not impose our practices on people who lived a millenia ago.  Why you ask?  Because the Germanic people did not use spaces to separate words.  They had a symbol to represent a space.  (It was what we would call the colon).  Here is a great example from an ancient stone carving in Sweden:


Photograph from Simone at http://hem.bredband.net/sim1/swe/mal/si ... rd_01.html (a great site on the Sigurd Carving in Sweden, Sigurd Fafnirsbane is one of the greatest heroes from the Viking era, the Norse equivalent of King Arthur).

So, it the Norse wanted a blank image, they had a symbol for it.  The notion of the blank rune, I suspect, would be an alien concept to them.

[Whisper]

Thank you all for your thinking on this.  I am very new to the study of Runes and have been wondering what to think about the blank one.  I see I have a great deal to learn.

[EarlofLeicester]

Hi Whisper.  There are plenty of people here with extensive rune knowledge so just ask if you have questions!

Odin be praised!

[Darkfire]

I am very glad to see this thread it will help newbies out so much. Historical evidence means little to some people but it is what I usually base my debate on when discussing the blank rune. Runes were used as an Omen at a Yulthing in 2006 at the Grove I am part of and the Seer drew a Blank rune. I nearly died. I could not believe she used it.  When I make my runes, and I have made every set I have had, I never include a blank. If I need a new one I make a new one.

[MoonGoddess]

I am very glad to see this thread it will help newbies out so much. Historical evidence means little to some people but it is what I usually base my debate on when discussing the blank rune. Runes were used as an Omen at a Yulthing in 2006 at the Grove I am part of and the Seer drew a Blank rune. I nearly died. I could not believe she used it.  When I make my runes, and I have made every set I have had, I never include a blank. If I need a new one I make a new one.

Yep hard not to laugh when things happen like that, but some people do believe in its use so poker faces are need in such situations.  I am so glad I wasn't there as I find it hard to hold back laughter.  My tact is getting better with age but some times my sense of humor gets the better of me some times.  Commercialisum has a lot to answer for.