Censorship

[suzisco]

I think that the owner of the site has the right to decide what is to be censored and what isn't.  I think that saying porn and spam is the only things that need to be deleted is being very simplistic and perhaps a little naive.  You may feel that you have the right to say what you want and conversly i have to accept what you say even if its derogatory, inflamatory and not very nice.  Also seems that you may feel that people can post anything they want even if its not topic related to Mystic board.

Forums have rules much in the same way as society has rules.  Some people feel that the internet is above the law and people are beyond reproach which is not the case.  

People also feel that because this is a free site then there is no onus on them to curb excessive behaviour or provide a moderate tongue in their head when dealing with other members.  If people have the right to do what ever they want then there would be no moderators or admin.  Lastly this maybe a free site to members however this site is paid for by the owner and she has the right to her rules being adhered to. You agreed to the terms when you became a member.  If you don't like the terms then you shouldn't have signed up.

[MarcoAZS]

Maybe you shall look to yourself.

If you are talking about censorship on this site...then state so...so we know that is what you are telling about.

When you have lived a bit longer...you will see there is censorship in many places of our society...so to tell that the word "censorship" is equal to

" a coward's escape key"

shows only that you haven't given it a thought at all, and that way you loose the credibility of your statement.

When he gets old, as all old people, he will lose memory, and than will be less wiser than he was before, its said by alot of people that study those things (by that I mean brain doctors) that 18 to 23 is the age of inventions of creativity after that people lose the real creativity, wish a creativity there is not the improve of something but the creation of something totally different. Don't come up with the age thing, as younger people for you are not able to be wise, for me than old people are not able to open their minds as we do, god rutho I see you as an old narrow minded guy, and remember I wrote I see you, so dont come up with deleting posts OK? LOL
And if you see, everywhere in the world where censorship exist, its because there is a coward on the back. Example: french people created clothes made their use law because they were cowards to show their body as it is.
Rutho, been old does not make you any wise, if you don't learn from your life, you didn't lived, a 10 year old kid who tries to take what its best from what happens to him/her is way wiser than a 70 year old who didn't learn anything from what happened to him/her self. I hope you open your mind

Lights and Hope!
MarcoAZS

[sidewalk_bends]

You are a wise man Marco.

[MarcoAZS]

"You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-oriented or any other material that may violate any applicable laws. Doing so may lead to you being immediately and permanently banned (and your service provider being informed)."

when we sign the contract to get in this forum we have to follow that, and I have to remember you rutho, that age discrimination is out of law in most of countries, all europe, india, brazil, australia, etc. It is considered a form of racism since age makes phisical differences. I think, from my personal point of view and from the cases I've seen my dad judging, that you just cut the law like if it was nothing for you, please apologize for that, it did disrespected people from here and harmful things like that shouldnt be done.

MarcoAZS

[Rhutobello]

Yes I agree You and Sidewalk Bends are very wise people....so please keep an old man out of this conversation....it is a bit to high for me since I am nearly 70.

But if it goeas on like this ....maybe I should act like SnS say and be an coward and stop this intelligent talk!

[MarcoAZS]

see thats the point where im trying to get, you never apologize, you always ask for people to do it, but you never recognize your mistakes, mistakes are normal, now to not assume them its too much pride, pride that its not correct to have, pride with age becomes prejudism, your problem from the way I see, is that you never ask for forgiveness and you have to stop that, cause been a coward it is been pride, and been pride of what you don't have, reason.

[Sei no Senshi]

You may feel that you have the right to say what you want and conversly i have to accept what you say even if its derogatory, inflamatory and not very nice.

People have the right to say whatever they want, but in doing so they have to accept the responsibilities that come with it.  These responsiblities can include but are not limited to staying with what they've said and apologizing or making right whatever wrong they've done or irritation they've caused.  Those are obligations that follow freedom of speech and whatnot.  However, even if people do have the right to say it, no one has any obligation to actually listen to what is being said and it does not have to be accepted by anyone.  This generally opens the tables for such things as discussion and debates, which is the entire point of a forum.

And yes, Marco has shown himself to be quite the wise man today. ^.^

[Rhutobello]

Marco.....my job is to do all the thing you are saying I do....I shall not go around asking forgiveness....I shall go around and try to make this site a good place to be.....it is my job....maybe some of you haven't enough life experience to know what a job is.....maybe you are so occupied with your own thoughts that you don't realize that you all are doing much more harm to this site then what you are saying I am.

Maybe you shall write to the owner of the site....it is a link just beside your names....say I can't moderate...tell her what need to be done.

You are all telling me that we are closing thread fast.....but I think we have allowed a lot of thoughts or complains in the last 14 days that show that we aren't that cruel against normal members.. we even let those who will complain be heard.

But now is it enough!

I must create peace on the site......Complains made in public, after this post is done, that can't be followed up with proof that any of us have handled wrong according to the rules of the site will lead to banning of that member.

If you find our actions so bad as you describe....or I am such an "incompetent leader" then please go the right way...direct to the owner!

[MarcoAZS]

I do understand your job and I do recognize the time you put on this I saw you doing alot of things right, but we human beings, however there are people who think that we can separate bussiness from our own lifes it is impossible, I personally think you should take some time off to resolve the things I feel you might be having in real life, cause your life is expressing on work, when our life is not working correctly our work goes down too, you are human rutho, I just ask you to recognize that, sometimes we do mistakes sometimes we are so mad at life that we dont understand people, I see visibly that this is a period, I've seen you working way better than now, so I suppose it might be a problem out of the board that made your personality a little strange those last days, there is no harm on discussing, humans talk all the time so they can build relationships, disagreements are normal and we should not consider a normal disagreement to a big big problem. The thing is not allowing the posts about arguing but to hear what the person is saying, if the person is complaining well there must be a problem, that person felt bad by something that happen, so lets search a solution for that, and not leave anyone hurt on this board. If it is to follow with the banning without hearing just by the rules, I expect you to bann yourself since you proved yourself to be ageist wish is a form of racism and I already told you that, but we are hear for hearing, rutho, I do understand that somethings we just learn with age, I do understand the importance of doing the job of working, I do, people change rutho, from generation to generation, every single person is different, have different things on there heads and thats what makes people beautiful, difference. I don't find things bad, I just think you guys should put a litlle more thought than just banning, banning is like putting your kid "jailed " on a room for a week because he didn't go to school, it would be much more wiser to talk with that kid and find a solution, because, then you know that the person wont do that again, cause now the person understand your thoughts too, for that this board have private messages service. just some thoughts I think that are good for everyone to think about

Lights and Lights!
MarcoAZS

edited: there is no need to worry, after learning I-ching 10 im leaving, for a very long time that forever is, maybe on that time you will understand that I don't do things to cause problem but to stop, its your wish to threat me and some others like that, but dont worry you will get rid of me so soon. have a nice day

[tourbi]

yes very good indeed
although, differently than a home its a place to expose more like a museum, in this case since its a forum more like a church or university, and as does places too, if the censorship is big, there won't be any more members of such place, and then, well then the site is deleted for low number of visitors/guests LOL. Thats something you forgot to remember, a house can live without visitors, not a site, especially not a forum/board

Lights and Thanks!
MarcoAZS

To be honest with you, this is not like a museum.  This is paid for by an individual who is kind enough to open it up for others to share with respect and responsibility.  This is not a museum, but in a museum, there are rules to follow and kept and people are asked to leave when they disturb other patrons or try to damage or break the rules, they can even be arrested.
When I joined I agree to the terms of this site.  I have an obligation to the forums, I have a larger obligation to myself.  I owe it to myself to behave a certain way and censor myself.
On a metaphysical level.  I have learned that by agreeing to certain censors at various time, I have been able to be initiated, be entrusted with information and been told to not share.  I have not and have been entrusted with more.  My personal ethics and integrity is important to me and my reputation is important also.  Therefore I choose to censor myself.

[dhav]

Agreed with Tourbi.
we should know the limit of our conducts.the job of the moderator is really stressful to decide which decision is good and wrong,to check the whole forum out,each message written should be checked out .it needs a lot of patience and hardwork which i am sure most of you won't accept to do.
we,as members of this forum,should make it a point that the forum runs out peacefully.we all agreed to be a part of the Mystic family on certain terms.we haven't come here to create tensions.i am really shocked that this censorship discussion is still going on here.perhaps you don't have better things to do that's why you just jumped on poor Rutho.It's sad to see.

sorry for any offense

lights of love,
dhav