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fensi88 · Post by **fensi88** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:22 pm

Friday October 16 2009
Cheltenham 16:05 (UK)
I got ASC=18Aq45

I would use John Addey's method for predicting winner of horse race. Race card for this race is here: horses.sportinglife.com/Racecards/0,12495,339566,00.html
5 house cusp is at 21Ge17 (Campanus house system) and first aspected planet is Su at 23Li23.
If we look at race card only "Three mirrors" has colors which fits with Su(yellow) in Li(blue) and according to this method that horse would be winner. Tomorrow we will know the result.

Airgon · Post by **Airgon** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:05 pm

Hifensi88,
I know Sepherial did some extensive work on horse racing
and other forms of speculation. I had heard of a new book
recently published that uses the weight of the horse and jockey
but apparantly it is fairly calculation intense and I have not
had the time to look at it.
Generally I use a diurnal based chart for teams and have
good success like if the baseball team is playing at home
will they win. Essentially, using Sophia Mason's method.

Have you tried any of these sources ?

I am doing a project currrently with three people to win
at slot machines and that is going very well. An intense
amount of work on my side though but slowly getting
a good handle on this form of gambling.

fensi88 · Post by **fensi88** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:34 am

Seaneen, do not waste your money, I am not master when it comes to predict horse race winner, I just want to test this method if it works.
But if you already did, I wish you luck.

The main problem with this method is delay start; than 5 house cusp change and some other planet might be in combination!  :smt017

fensi88 · Post by **fensi88** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:40 am

Generally I use a diurnal based chart for teams and have
good success like if the baseball team is playing at home
will they win. Essentially, using Sophia Mason's method.

Have you tried any of these sources ?

No, I did not try. I use mix of color method and Frawley's rules.
I would like to see some of your examples with explanation because I best learn from examples, not theory. Share some of your examples with us (with chart of course).
Thanks.

fensi88 · Post by **fensi88** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:25 pm

Unfortunatelly, I was not right! Result for this race:

1 Nelson's Spice 7/1
2 Maljimar 7/2

I must admit that Nelson;s colors also fits with this placement of Su(gold) in Li(green and white). Nelson's Spice surelly better fits (by assosiation) for placement Su in 7 house, than 3 Mirrors. But I did not was co clever to notice that!

Airgon · Post by **Airgon** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 7:40 pm

I reviewed my notes on betting in terms of sports and
mostly they are for two opponents... which is real good
for astrology. In horse races one usually has multiple
horses and the problem is which house belongs to
which horse.... which is kind of why I think the colors
come into the picture for your argument fensi...

The idea being that the natural zodiac ( Western that is )
starts at Aries and runs around to Pisces in the 12th.
Then say its Leo which naturally is associated with the
5th house - so gold or yellow would be its color.

Is it possible we can try someother betting where there
are only two opponents like cricket, baseball or any two
team or two player are more easily resolved.

Part of Sophia Mason book has rules for this approach
divided into gambling resolved by diurnal charts and
gambling done purely by the single event chart of the
start of the game. If the game is delayed then use the
actual start.

So for example, using purely single event chart, we would
take first to 6th houses as ruling the home team with
emphasis on first and fourth houses and the away team
uses 7th to 12 th houses with emphasis on 7th and 10th house.

The idea is if the home team has more aspects to the first
and fourth then home team wins. If away team has more
aspects to the 7th and 10th then away team wins.

There is more to this but not much more. For example
we can include rulers of the first and 4th for the home team
as against just the straight houses. and for away team
the rulers of the 7th and 10th rather than just the houses.
This is a refinement though and first we should see if this will
work.

Any suggestions for a game to look at ? :)

fensi88 · Post by **fensi88** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:08 pm

Thaks for this explanation, plain and simple I understand it. I heard for the first time for that. In J Frawleys book he use 1st  and 10th(successs)  for ASC team and 7 and 4 (turned 10) for DSC team. Here it is probably 1 and 4 house used as end of game for one team or ?
When you put home team on ASC, problem is when we have more matches at same time in one town, according to that rule in all matches, for example, home team would win, but that is not the case. That is why I do not use that method, I place teams according to color of their sport kit becuse ASC or DSC for another team is connected with appearance, but I have not 100% accuracy still, but have best results in compare to other methods .
Of course I will try the  method you explain, with my placement of teams. Thanks for sharing that with me.

Airgon · Post by **Airgon** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:08 pm

fensi I doubt anything will be 100% correct.

It would be interesting to consider in a two team game
that each team has a "new natal" chart at the start
of the season.

then for each team on the day of the game ( thats
two charts ) run a chart for the day of the game
but the "new natal time's and new natal place from
the start of the season" - which is the diurnal.

Compare the strength of the two charts by
for example comparing each teams ascendant
and ascendant ruler. Whichever is stronger should win.

fensi88 · Post by **fensi88** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:59 am

Oh, this method could be worth to try, because in this method we have no doubt "who is who". But I must wait next season to start researh. If you have some example please post.
And thanks for this idea!

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