older spouse and younger spouse....... a data based research

RishiRahul · Post by **RishiRahul** » Sun May 15, 2011 6:34 pm

Hi Raman,

Please post two birthtimes/bring forward two birthtimes so we can check this out. The artudha is others perception about the matter.

Not a bad idea for a discussion!

RishiRahul

Raman Deep Singh · Post by **Raman Deep Singh** » Thu May 19, 2011 9:27 am

Hi Rishirahul ji,
That would be a nice idea to see/test this on practical ground.
I am providing details of a Male whose wife z elder than him.

26 Dec 1983
8.27 AM
Calcutta

I hope you and other memebers like rajat ji, Avam ji (nice to see you back to board

), Bala ji and Surly Milind ji and other members too
would present their idea/view on this one.
I feel there has to be connection with Arudha so that peple shud feel the difference in age..But just an idea.

Regards,
Raman Deep Singh

RishiRahul · Post by **RishiRahul** » Thu May 19, 2011 6:43 pm

Raman Deep Singh wrote:Hi Rishirahul ji,
That would be a nice idea to see/test this on practical ground.
I am providing details of a Male whose wife z elder than him.

26 Dec 1983
8.27 AM
Calcutta

I hope you and other memebers like rajat ji, Avam ji (nice to see you back to board ), Bala ji and Surly Milind ji and other members too
would present their idea/view on this one.
I feel there has to be connection with Arudha so that peple shud feel the difference in age..But just an idea.

Regards,
Raman Deep Singh

H Raman,

Since you have confirmed that the native has an older husband, lets try to find points:

(1)As you said that Saturn in in the 7th. from Al....... but this may be a stray case.
Other points which 'MAY' lead to older spouse  from this chart:
(1)Venus saturn conjunct
(2) Darakaraka Jupiter's signs aspected and or posited by Sani in navamsa.
(3) 7th. lord moon in natal chart in sani navamsa with ketu.
Also darakaraka jupiter is in Ketu's star..... just an observation.
(4) darapada (a7), Mars opposes sani in navamsa
Ketu in darapada

Another observation: Rahu in the 5th. house.. and ketu springing up often probably means, not the usual conventional marriage... may be love affair.

RishiRahul

P.S: This could be good research where such charts of known persons (probably not celebrities, as navamsa might change due to not very correct birthtimes).
Other participants may please post another case/cases.

prasanna · Post by **prasanna** » Thu May 19, 2011 6:57 pm

Already one set of   chart detail is  pending  ( posted by Dhan ji)  for discussion which we can view in previous pages . I suggest it  can be dealt with,  if we all wish. Thanks .

RishiRahul · Post by **RishiRahul** » Thu May 19, 2011 7:04 pm

prasanna wrote:Already one set of chart detail is pending ( posted by Dhan ji) for discussion which we can view in previous pages . I suggest it can be dealt with, if we all wish. Thanks .

Of course! just post it agin so as to fast forward

Rishi

prasanna · Post by **prasanna** » Thu May 19, 2011 7:16 pm

govardhanvt wrote:Date of Birth of the girl

July 4,1978
16 :27 hrs
Madras

Date of birth of the Boy

Sept 6,1979

8:52 am

Sorapur India

The boys horoscope had been vivid discussed in some other thread. The couple have been married for the past 7 years. The girl intend to go for divorce now. No encumbarance so far.

Here it is. Thanks Rishi .

prasanna · Post by **prasanna** » Thu May 19, 2011 7:19 pm

govardhanvt wrote:Next example

August 2 ,1980
Ujjain
11:38 am

Boy

October 24,1981
20:50 hrs
Aurangabad

Second set here please. Thanks.

RishiRahul · Post by **RishiRahul** » Fri May 20, 2011 3:59 am

Hi Prasanna,

One case by one.

One case of older spouse was given by Raman, which I tried to analyse.

Please give one known case saying who has older spouse and we can try to analyse the combinations leading to older spouse.

RishiRahul

prasanna · Post by **prasanna** » Fri May 20, 2011 4:08 am

Dear Rishi,

Why dont u take any one of  the above two cases and think one is given by me now ? Seeing the dates U can know lady is  elder to man in those charts. Thanks for  analyzing  I leave it  to your choice now.Others can take  other chart  or lead from U and further discussions are also possible I believe . After all we are here to learn more. Is int?

Regards,

RishiRahul · Post by **RishiRahul** » Fri May 20, 2011 4:43 am

prasanna wrote:
govardhanvt wrote:Date of Birth of the girl

July 4,1978
16 :27 hrs
Madras

Date of birth of the Boy

Sept 6,1979

8:52 am

Sorapur India

The boys horoscope had been vivid discussed in some other thread. The couple have been married for the past 7 years. The girl intend to go for divorce now. No encumbarance so far.

Here it is. Thanks Rishi .

Dear Prasanna,

Okay let us proceed with the case, but only 1 tear difference would not be a perfect example; even then lets discuss this.
Posting of cases(one by one) having larger year differences would be proper as proper distinctions can be only made then, considering the progressing times (the importance of desh, kaal and patro mentioned)

For example a 27 year old boy and 28/29 year old girl can look of similar ages to each other, or even younger.
Means even if the girl is older by a year she can look younger (due to genetic factors). so the perception (Arudha) may not come to play.

Even then... since you say....

See, astrology is not just 'black and white'.

points noted........
(1)Venus saturn conjunct.
(2) 7th. from AL , saturn,afflicted by nodes
(3) Darapada lord, saturn, afflicted by nodes
(4)saturn in 7th from moon
(5) darakaraka, Jupiter, aspected by saturn in rasi and navamsa

RishiRahul

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Raman Deep Singh · Post by **Raman Deep Singh** » Fri May 20, 2011 5:05 am

Hi,
I think it would be better if we take case of some one known so that if its required more details could be provided with.
May be for further analysis or some small rectification or undestanding..
Let me give complete data of my previous psat:-

Male:-

Natal Chart

Date:          December 26, 1983
Time:          8:27:00
Place:      Calcutta, India

Female :-

Female:-
Date:          September 3, 1982
Time:          3:02:00
Place:     Calcutta, India

Regards,
Raman Deep Singh

prasanna · Post by **prasanna** » Fri May 20, 2011 7:12 am

RishiRahul wrote:
prasanna wrote:
govardhanvt wrote:Date of Birth of the girl

July 4,1978
16 :27 hrs
Madras

Date of birth of the Boy

Sept 6,1979

8:52 am

Sorapur India

The boys horoscope had been vivid discussed in some other thread. The couple have been married for the past 7 years. The girl intend to go for divorce now. No encumbarance so far.

Here it is. Thanks Rishi .

Dear Prasanna,

Okay let us proceed with the case, but only 1 tear difference would not be a perfect example; even then lets discuss this.
Posting of cases(one by one) having larger year differences would be proper as proper distinctions can be only made then, considering the progressing times (the importance of desh, kaal and patro mentioned)

For example a 27 year old boy and 28/29 year old girl can look of similar ages to each other, or even younger.
Means even if the girl is older by a year she can look younger (due to genetic factors). so the perception (Arudha) may not come to play.

Even then... since you say....

See, astrology is not just 'black and white'.

points noted........
(1)Venus saturn conjunct.
(2) 7th. from AL , saturn,afflicted by nodes
(3) Darapada lord, saturn, afflicted by nodes
(4)saturn in 7th from moon
(5) darakaraka, Jupiter, aspected by saturn in rasi and navamsa

RishiRahul

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Not to offend any one here

Let me say  Firstly, ,

your statement ( in bold  ) applies to the chart which u have recently analyzed too I believe  and the same Arudha  holds good too for that  data too (December 26, 1983 )

Secondly,

The native whom U discussed above is   known to me too as they are given by my  family  friend   Govardhan vt ji  , so its not needed for  me to explain  to one and all here , I know the native.

Any how thanks Rishi for  giving your valid views for  the above chart in discussion. I will further try my level  best to post data as u wanted to be posted now (  with vast age difference )

Thirdly,

The quote

Even then............  since U say ............I like it very much,  U took me rite. Thanks Friend.

At the same time,  ,  I request we need not show any of our attachments,  sentiments , enmity  towards  any one here  further please.   Let us behave little matured  as  Co Astrologers alone. . Except in our Vedic board I see high maturity  levels in sharing of views in all boards  everywhere now. So let us  all put an end to this personal  affinity or enmity by today with  this Topic . I hope U as Moderator will try to amend it here ,  in all our further  discussions .Thanks to U for this.  

  .
Regards,

RishiRahul · Post by **RishiRahul** » Fri May 20, 2011 1:45 pm

Prasanna,

Please do not talk/keep on reminding of personal enmities where the present exchanges are having none, and you must be aware that the moderator is not in favour of such references etc. So there is no need to bring up this reference again.
Such comments can lead to further spark controversies again; so please note.
Any such further references (posts) and or harsh comments by anyone will be edited etc by the moderator forthwith.

I had mentioned that Arudha's may not apply in small age differences as this is my belief. This analysis is in a raw state still.
My belief can always be wrong and I am no gospel.

Arudhas are very complex/advanced to understand and apply properly, and just because it has works in 1 or 2 cases does not confirm something.

Also I seem to be the only one taking part in analysis, for which I feel a bit neglected.

RishiRashul

RishiRahul · Post by **RishiRahul** » Fri May 20, 2011 3:09 pm

Hi Ranan,

I am bringing forward the analysis of the male who got married to the older female here....in addition to his spouses analysis seen together................with replies in green for better identification.
If I have missed some aspects please point out.
I was wondering if after analysis of a few cases we can have an inference.

Raman Deep Singh wrote:Hi,
I think it would be better if we take case of some one known so that if its required more details could be provided with.
May be for further analysis or some small rectification or undestanding..
Let me give complete data of my previous psat:-

Male:-

Natal Chart

Date: December 26, 1983
Time: 8:27:00
Place: Calcutta, India

RishiRahul=male married to older female=
(1)As you said that Saturn in in the 7th. from Al....... but this may be a stray case.
Other points which 'MAY' lead to older spouse  from this chart:
(1)Venus saturn conjunct
(2) Darakaraka Jupiter's signs aspected and or posited by Sani in navamsa.
(3) 7th. lord moon in natal chart in sani navamsa with ketu.
Also darakaraka jupiter is in Ketu's star..... just an observation.
(4) darapada (a7), Mars opposes sani in navamsa
Ketu in darapada

Another observation: Rahu in the 5th. house.. and ketu springing up often probably means, not the usual conventional marriage... may be love affair.

Female :-

Female:-
Date: September 3, 1982
Time: 3:02:00
Place: Calcutta, India

RishiRahul=Female married to younger spouse=
(1)7th lord with mercury in mercuries house
(2)venus not conjunct saturn, but conjunct sun oppose moon
(3)darapada, Venus, not aspected by Saturn. Darapada lord not conjunct or aspected by saturn
(4)same for darakarak, Venus.
(5)Venus, darakarak and darapada, not aspected or conjunct saturn in navamsa
(6) Saturn is not in 7th. from Al, but aspecting it.

Regards,
Raman Deep Singh

RishiRahul

RishiRahul · Post by **RishiRahul** » Fri May 20, 2011 3:28 pm

Hi,

Bringing forward prasanna's given details with analysis of the couple similarly........
I have noted some points about the condition of marriage, but since we are trying to analyse how to determine older spouse, I am not mentioning.

Why doesnt someone else analyse the other couples details given by Prasanna please.

prasanna wrote:
govardhanvt wrote:Date of Birth of the girl

July 4,1978
16 :27 hrs
Madras

RishiRahul= married to younger spouse=
(1)Venus with mercury. not conjunct Saturn
(2)darapada/darapada lord, mercury, not having spect/comjunct Saturn
(3) darapada in nvamsa= similar as in point 2.
(4)darakarak saturn with Mars
(5) 7th. from AL has saturn Mars......... either raman's idea did not work here or the age difference is not wide.

Date of birth of the Boy

Sept 6,1979

8:52 am

Sorapur India

RishiRahul= married to older spouse=
(1)Venus saturn conjunct.
(2) 7th. from AL , saturn,afflicted by nodes
(3) Darapada lord, saturn, afflicted by nodes
(4)saturn in 7th from moon
(5) darakaraka, Jupiter, aspected by saturn in rasi and navamsa

The boys horoscope had been vivid discussed in some other thread. The couple have been married for the past 7 years. The girl intend to go for divorce now. No encumbarance so far.

Here it is. Thanks Rishi .

RishiRahul

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