Namaskaar to both my elder bros and all,Rohiniranjan wrote:RishiRahul wrote:Dada,Rohiniranjan wrote:Thread getting too messy and long and convoluted and I fear shall soon risk becoming a veritable "dog's breakfast", a phenomenon witnessed many times before
Hence, I broke away from the QUOTE mayajaal!
Rishi,
I doubt very much that by changing name to what birthname had been soothes someone's mind, unless one had already scapegoated the name with some sort of inadequacy. In olden days, sometimes names were given without much thought and individuals had to live with those names some of which led to mockery and bullying or marginalization in schools etc. A name change even under the guise of astro-karmic tuning may have some therapeutic value but unless it is demonstrated to have astrological linkages and that is very hard to do, one should not assume that it was the name-change that changed the fate or stars or whatever was written by Vidhata. That is all I am saying, from what I see and have seen. Namely, that the future trend was written at birth, even before the name was chosen or given or carried out in the newborn's life. Then those raised in other cultures also have to be careful that the children's names will not get mangled and sound like a swear-word or cause for being picked upon by school bullies etc. The wider one opens ones eyes the more wonders of the Human family living on vasudha one appreciates! There is more to a name than a namakshar or sound or mere fancy!
And then there is the troublesome question. Even if success followed following a name change recommended by a divinator, how can one be sure that the luck would not have changed anyway, even if the name were not changed or had no rhyme or reason with astrology? Hence, I wrote with some thought given to the matter of names and shared that regardless of whether people were named according to the cannons of astrology or not, their birthchart did not note or reflect the change or change its course!
Baba/dad/bapi are not names really and do not really belong to the context which we are discussing here, *energies, feelings, vibrations* notwithstanding
Love, Light, Reality!
Rohiniranjan
I have not mentioned anywhere that destiny can be altered by the change of name to a modified/minor one. Have I?
The name change is like using muhurthas, remedies etc.
The name change can affect a persons life similar to muhuthas, remedies.
Destiny is above them all, but their strength/soothing influence cannot be denied.
This name change thing has very strong marketing like Kalsarpa & manglik doshas these days.
The given/birth recorded name may also be destiny. But again our parents have the option of choosing our name at random or numerically.
Whatever the 'Truth' may be it is a 'Fact' that the vibrations arising out of a name without the birth details does reveal powerfully enough the nature of the individual.
And the progressions arising out of That name shows major turns/changes/bends in life.
I use them quite successfully in my timings in divination.
Being able to do so successfully so many times proved (to me) the wonderful value of the name.
I mentioned this as vivek ji had mentioned:="Now the Ancients followed a different system of naming as the name is infact the first mantra the child receives from the world. it has a great relevance to the natives image"
; & the word 'image' struck a bell.
Rishi
Rishi,
Where did I say that you said that name change leads to change in bhagya!!
But lots of divinators tell their clients exactly that and recommend a change in name etc to improve their destiny! I was commenting on that as being a very anecdotal type of practice with no evidence whatsoever. Divination including Jyotish is full of similar practices and that is simply a sad reality! And that includes KSY, mangalika and even flakier premises.
As Shetty ji said, "One's name is like the first mantra" so no wonder that you found that name alone gave you so much insight into the nature of individuals etc.
That would be a very different thing altogether. We are not discussing the association between the name and sense of self etc, but questioning the miraculous change with a change in name which sometimes divinators prescribe to their clients.
TWO entirely disparate things
Love and Light!
Rohiniranjan
Rohiniranjan ji, it was bang on and Rishi ji was so tantalisingly close. See the words and sentences in bold in the above quote. I am reminded of how so many of our saints and babas (the originals and not the copies) were never known by their name but by funny names which people gave them because of some of their peculiarities. Like Joowale baba (the saint with head full of lice), Taatwale baba (the saint with matted locks of hair), tilaa wale baba (the saint who lived on a hillock).
Am also reminded of the name given during Sanyaasa deeksha (with a anand suffixed) or also Tantric deekshas even for householders which was known as their deeksha name.
Rohiniranjan ji the sentence underlined by me in your reply to Rishi ji just made my hair stand (romaahashana). No doubt only Chandra (Rohiniranjan) can really understand about names, image and the sense of self.
It is sad that the originator of the topic Aghase ji is absent from this wonderful discussion.
Thank you.
vivek
