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Post by prasanna » Mon Oct 11, 2010 4:02 pm

RishiRahul wrote:Hi,

I was just wondering after reading the article relates to Sayan charts or Nirayan charts?

The material in the blogspot is a copy of some Western astrology literature, I think.   I wonder where I read it earlier?

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Details of Rahu in  Libra (Tula) and Ketu in Aries (Mesh)

Rahu in Libra is a sign of balance and harmony in the native’s life as a whole. It also gives stability in regard to the affections; the gratification of noble desires is shown in all things. The native has a fine intellect as well as great courage. Progress will be rapid; and wealth as well as honor will be acquired. Rahu in Libra is favourable for the children and for the family ties.

Ketu in Aries is often a sign of lack of conscience, or, at all events, of inconsequence. The native acts too precipitately; what he has decided to do must be done forthwith, and this leads to want of due reflection, which is detrimental to his affairs. He may suffer material losses, or experience trouble in other directions, due to his lack of cautiousness. This position inclines to fits of anger, but also gives great physical courage; and if the horoscope generally is good, Ketu in Aries will not be so unfortunate.

Rahu in Libra implies spiritual integration which comes from moving from self to others; from personality levels to the soul levels. Emphasis should be on loving others and getting away from self-love.

Ketu in Aries means an over-assertion of self has been the problem in the past, and personality should become the servant of others in this lifetime.

This nodal position requires much learning about self-sacrifice and the needs of other people. All the lifetimes of work spent on building self-confidence and esteem must now be transferred to others. The Libra Rahu keeps the individual from adding to his sense of self-identity any further. He must guard against strong ego influencing his current life actions.

His long-standing me-first attitude now brings him sharp and painful experiences as he is learning the lessons of co-operation. He must slow down and make sure that all he works for is meaningful, in his marriage and close partnerships as well as all his relations with others. He has to learn to take the sharp edges out of his life and start to balance. While the center road seems less attractive to him, it is still the only path he can have towards happiness.

Ultimately he must learn the very subtle lesson that his strong pioneering individualism isn’t actually meant for himself at all, but rather to equip him better so that he can provide others with a more harmonious life. Many individuals with these Nodes have a tendency to be contrary. The experience of listening to other people is a new one which they find objectionable when they feel it hampers their forward motion.

In past incarnations, progress was all-important, and getting there first was part of the highly competitive Arien drive. This carries over into a definite closed-mindedness which the Libra Rahu will ultimately open, showing to the individual the other side of the coin which he had never before thought was important enough to recognize.

Selfishness and vanity of all sorts must be curbed unless the individual wishes to find himself alone. Usually he feels himself being driven towards something, yet he doesn’t understand what or why. Through the Libra Rahu, he is now to reconsider his goals and objectives so that his Arian energy is put to some useful purpose.

He changes his mind often; and allegiance to a single cause is not one of his finer attributes. Past incarnations have made him accustomed to a constant impatient restlessness that still has a tendency to keep him on the move. He knows that he is to give rather than to receive in the current life, yet he finds it difficult to cope with such karma with his full heart.

The Martian quality of the Ketu impatiently pushes him in new directions. Upon arrival at each destination, however, he finds the gossamer cloud of Libra in the middle of the seesaw, and is surprised to see that hte goal was not a goal at all, nor was the destination the end of the journey. Puzzled and confused, he sits in the middle, trying to evaluate the circumstances which he hopes will point the way towards his next successful drive. And yet each goal, each ambition, each sprint of running and striving brings him to Libra - the half-way point!

Finally, out os sheer exhaustion he makes the amazing realization that the second half of the journey involves other people. He is to learn the karmic lesson that he is not alone. Until he learns to share, something always comes up to put the brakes on his efforts. Eventually he is brought to the realization that winning or losing the game is much less important than the fairness with which it is played.

Many individuals with these Nodes are highly opinionated as a result of selfish or bigoted past-life attitudes. Now it is time for the shoe to be worn on the other foot. Much of the current life’s events are painful blows to the ego. The individual has to guard against becoming embittered as he sees many of his own wants and desires being taken away from him and given to others. At first his natural tendency is to be jealous. He wants to fight back for all those things he feels he has lost; yet the more he fights, the more he loses. Eventually, drained of much of hie inner resources, he must surrender his selfish ego and accept living in a world built on sharing.

Until he overcomes his Ketu, his biggest frustration is the witnessing of other people receiving all for which he himself had wished. He doesn’t quite yet undersand how this works, and is puzzled at why all the things he has ever wanted are coming to people around him and yet not to himself. He hardly realizes that all his desires, wants and wishes are actually designed for others.

He is mentally energizing the wishes of people around him so that he can ultimately be an instrument for their fulfillment. In actuality, he is earning himself a new place in the world by living through the karma of selflessness. Still, the insistent urges of the Ketu keep pulling him backwards, often making him feel that this is a lesson he would rather not yet learn.

He must try to resist past-life tendencies to make waves, for he is now capable of witnessing disharmonies between people without taking sides. Often he is thrown into the position of referee, whereby in helping others to become more objective, he in fact helps himself. The more he can get others to co-operate, the more he can learn to do it himself.

Underneath all the hustle and bustle, this individual is learning to see hte consequences ofhis actions before taking them. In effect, he must learn to look before he leaps!

For many with this Nodal position, there is a deep-seated anger coming out of past-life memories of frustrations which block the self-expression.

In this life, th ere is usually a very pleasing physical appearance, which is part of the karmic lesson in vanity that the Aries Ketu is here to overcome. Any narcissistic residue also causes difficulty in marriage as this is the battleground where the war between love of another and needs of the self must be fought.

The balance between Aries / Mars and Libra / Venus is a difficult one to achieve. The Aries Ketu constantly seeks to assert its needs, while the Libra Rahu needs nothing for itself but to love others, regardless of their demands. This individual can feel love for others best only after his own needs are fulfilled.

Until the desires of past incarnations are left behind, the incessant pulling of his subconscious demands continues to be so strong that he has a tendency to drain energy from other people, actually putting them to sleep. In effect, he is a walking anaesthetic, constantly wondering why people avoid talking with him for more than a few minutes. He would like to talk for hours, if only to continue the focus of attention on himself. But in his private moments, he is deeply saddened by a sense of loneliness and the knowledge that his relationships with others are so far short of what he would like them to be.

There is nothing subtle about this Nodal polarity. Happiness comes only after he is forced to re-evaluate his desires and truly discovers that they involve other people. The ego-self must be abandoned, and with it a heightened sensitivity to the needs of others acquired.

The Libra Rahu is one of the most difficult to achieve because the Aries sel-flove looms as such a large hurdle to overcome. Still, the individual must overcome if there is to be a new cycle for him; and he will find the key to this new cycle as he begins to reflect back upon himself through the eyes of others.

The house position of the Ketu indicates the area where insatiable desires of past incarnations are still demanding priority. The house position of the Rahu shows how fulfillment can be reached through self-sacrifices, co-operation and the expression of unselfish love to others.

You need to learn to co-operate and get along better with others. Your Aries Ketu may reply ‘Yeah, but they never want to go along with my plans’.

Your problems may include that you have an exaggerated need to prove yourself; that you tend to be uncomfortable; and that, because of your upbringing, you’ve come to place too high a value on assertiveness.

Possible solutions: Stabilize your relationships in terms of five and take. Learn to differentiate between caring and controlling. Learn to let others have a chance to decide for themselves. Stifle your need for others, and look out for yourself.

Ketu in Aries often complains of having been forced into something which has irrevocably fouled up his or her life. This could be a too-early marriage, a career, a specific mode of behavior, etc.. In any case, he or she, as a result of this experience, justifies his or her reluctance to co-operate in other areas. Aries Ketu generally hasn’t developed his or her ability to commit himself or herself in a long-term situation. He or she wants fast results. If these aren’t forthcoming, co-operation is curtailed. Aries Ketu is also generally unwilling to take responsibility for hte effects of his or her actions on other people. He or she is sometimes unwilling to share. The Aries Ketur generally wants exclusive rights to the things in which he or she is interested. He or she feels that future well-being depends on immediate gratification and success. However, goals can often be attained only when the Libra Rahu’s ability to co-operate is tapped and developed.

Signs of an over-balanced Aries Ketu are: high blood pressure; impulsiveness; hyperactivity; a cold, critical attitude towards others’ accomplishments; argumentativeness; a tendency to brag about accomplishments and be a poor loser; an insistence on leading; an unco-operative attitude; difficulty in finishing what he or she has started; and boredom or a short attention span.

Rahu in Libra dreams of happiness and harmony. He or she would like to be known as a very sociable person. Others play a very important role in this person’s dreams. In contrast, this is an enthusiastic, emotionally active person whose selfisheness may interfere with social interaction and harmony in general.

Antidotes for Libra imbalance: The client should be advised to get a complete beauty treatment, including new hair style, in preparation for devloping a new lifestyle. Even men can benefit from a new hairstyle. Likewise, shopping for a new wardrobe or new furnishings can be a beneficial antidote, as any purchase would tend to remind the client that a new lifestyle is beginning. For best results, color selection should be geared to the imbalance. Dancing is a good antidote. If the client has any physical symptoms, a medical check-up should be advised, since this is another one of the imbalances that’s most capable of triggering illness. Boating, cruises, and water sports can be helpful antidotes.

The client should be advised to consciously seek out activities that stress partnership and teamwork, rather than trying to do everything himself or herself.

If career advice is sought, the following could be recommended if other factors in the chart show aptitude: hairdresser or barber, artist, interior decorator, lawyer, stewardess or pilot.

Previous incarnation for this person was spent with a lot of physical actions, temper and aggression. He had, in that life, achieved and lost many things as he could not learn to understand the significance of balance. In this life time, he will definitely learn and be able to use the concept of balance as applied to ‘soul growth’. Everything he undertakes in this life will have a definite sense of justice, priority and deeper significance. His diplomatic talents are well worth noting in this life. He will achieve things without fighting for them; and often others will surrender to him just by his senses and magnetism. Utilization of mental energies is strongly noticed in this person in this life. Although he may not be after material success, he always manages to be plentiful in that respect.

You may have to learn about the value of relationship co-operation and how you can give to satisfy others’ needs. Be less self-preoccupied with your needs, and focus on how relationships can become more meaningful and harmonious through co-operation, rather than preserving selfish attitudes.

You can experience a competitive drive, but this powerful individualism and pioneering spirit is available not just to benefit you. It also enables you to give more to others. There is much in life waiting for you to recognize its presences; and you would benefit by taking time to listen to others who can reveal aspects of life that you had never previously registered or considered of any value.

It is futile driving yourself onward when you do not know why or what objective you seek. Perhaps stop and re-evalutate your distinction, then direct energy toward a definite purpose. You may feel restless and impatient, changing your mind less often and finding fewer difficulties being focused. You consider each new prospecive direction, but rarely know what you are looking for. Each direction you take may eventually seem unfulfilling - a cul-de-sac or a destination which allows little rest or permanence. What you may need to realize is that others are needed for you to complete your journey. Until you learn how to share and give, each aim achieved can only fail to satisfy, because it is not meant for you alone.

Indeed, you may pass through phases when it appears that life is against you, meeting many painful confrontations which chip away at your egocentric approach. It may appear that you fail to attain your desires, and it becomes frustrating to see others making successful progress. Even though you apply greater effort, your aims seem to move further away. Attitudes and values may need transforming, so that efforts are less directed toward yoru solitary benefit and more toward the benefit of others. Instead of feeling envious of a friend’s success, you should be pleased. Until you base your life on co-operative sharing - and, in a sense, turn it around - then your desires may remain frustrated. You will probably resist this lesson, but this would be your free choice, expressing your contrary nature. The eventual consequences would be self-created.

In social relationships, you often assume a role as ‘mediator’, and have to learn how to aid others to resolve problems without taking sides. In these experineces, you will discover co-operation and compromise; encourage this in relationships as an energy of goodwill and harmony.

Marriage can be a challenging experience - an ideal ‘school’ for vital insights and self-understanding. With both potential conflicts and opportunities for creative relations existing within the partnership, it can summarize your dilemma. You probably do know that your relationships could be more satisfying and meaningful, and you may recognize that intimacy does not just revolve around your needs alone. But your self-regard must expand to include others. Once you see that life could be much better by sharing and giving, your life can become a more peaceful and fulfilling one.

The cardinal Air sign, Libra, in contrast to Virgo, has a dynamic approach to the ‘You’. We are able to react positively to the environment and to do something about it. We need not feel uneasy at making certain demands of the environment, but first we should ask the world, just as Virgo asks the world: ‘What can I do for you?’ Then, on considering the reply, we can respond pleasantly. Our approach to society includes the attempt to come into harmony with it.

More especially, the native may wish to bring harmony to the world. Diplomacy can figure strongly in this placement of the Node - in the interests of concord of course. With hard aspects, various compromises may be made in order to come out on top and look good at the same time. In the extreme case, the native says something to one person while saying the exact opposite to someone else.

With the Libran Node, it is important to strike a balance between the ‘I’ and the ‘You’, to form a correct judgement, and to live in harmony with the world. For this, a measure of self-discipline is required. The emotions have to be held in check if one is to avoid being thrown off balance and being carried away by private feelings and opinions. This position of the Node places a restraint on idiosyncracy, excessive automony, and undue egocentricity.

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P.S. I wish and request  my Guru ji  ( in mystic learning forum)  cum friend dear  Mr Rishi   should spare    some of his precious time in  reading  this blog once again please.


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Post by projenator » Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:49 am

Wonderful posting, prasanna aunty. Granted that a Libra Rahu needs to learn to cooperate and aim for balance/harmony in this lifetime, how does the situation change if Rahu is placed in the first house for a libra ascendant native ? Rahu in the first house implies exactly opposite life lessons, doesn't it ?

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Post by RishiRahul » Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:47 am

Hi Prasanna,

If you read my posting you will read that I had mentioned........."I was just wondering after reading the article relates to Sayan charts or Nirayan charts?
The material in the BLOGSPOT is a copy of some Western astrology literature, I think.   I wonder where I read it earlier?
RishiRahul...................

Being a moderator, I had to form the habit of reading posts in details.

I did read the blog... and what i meant was that the blogger copied it from Western. I have read it.

I have seen that western senses are applied to Eastern works... like in Western Venus in the 12th house, may be in the 12house in Eastern or 11th. depending on the degrees, which are about 23 degrees apart.

But still the senses hold quite accurately.

I have a book by Manik Chand Jain on this sense of Rahu and Ketu, which explains this sense so very well, is not so elaborately explanative, but concise and lucid like Dr. B.V.Raman.

The westerners have a wonderful habit of being very elaborate in explanations!

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Post by prasanna » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:38 am

Dear Rishi,


I do appreciate your dedicatory  services U are rendering to this forum . U have every liberty to analyze and re send it to the appropriate forum. At the same time let me express myself please. I fee  this author Mr Madusan has basic   and good knowledge of vedic as well as western, I can relate this as    fusion in Music field, where we are enjoying both  , western and Estern together. Any how my understanding is  western  Astrology is  a branch of vedic Astrology only. Vedic is the Mother of  all Astrologies. . All western Astrologers are taking basics from  Eastern world only . So this blogger might have tried it  in a  new way which could be appreciated too. I dont want to speak anything against western or Eastern  as,Iam a person who used to  enjoy everything  under the earth without any disparities.  I like to enjoy the nectar  all the sciences  like , Western, Eastern,  Numerology   , Chines etc etc. Hope U will take my views in rite sense too.

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Post by govardhanvt » Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:12 am

Being a moderator ,  both of you are deviating from the core topic of Rahu and ketu.

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Post by RishiRahul » Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:22 am

prasanna wrote:Dear Rishi,


I do appreciate your dedicatory  services U are rendering to this forum . U have every liberty to analyze and re send it to the appropriate forum. At the same time let me express myself please. I fee  this author Mr Madusan has basic   and good knowledge of vedic as well as western, I can relate this as    fusion in Music field, where we are enjoying both  , western and Estern together. Any how my understanding is  western  Astrology is  a branch of vedic Astrology only. Vedic is the Mother of  all Astrologies. . All western Astrologers are taking basics from  Eastern world only . So this blogger might have tried it  in a  new way which could be appreciated too. I dont want to speak anything against western or Eastern  as,Iam a person who used to  enjoy everything  under the earth without any disparities.  I like to enjoy the nectar  all the sciences  like , Western, Eastern,  Numerology   , Chines etc etc. Hope U will take my views in rite sense too.

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Hi Prasannaji,

I was only suggesting that though the matter of Rahu/Ketu analysis is same as per Sayan and Nirayana ayanamsa, it could be a reaearch for ALL of us to find out why it hold true in both cases, even with differing ayanamsas!! Or does it?

I a,m sure you, Proj, Raman, Govardhantji etc could do some good reaearch in this. Of course not leaving out mscbrs and myself.

This matter is very much related to Rahu/Ketu analysis. I am trying to go beyond books, by spurring some research on it.

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Post by RishiRahul » Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:24 am

govardhanvt wrote:Being a moderator ,  both of you are deviating from the core topic of Rahu and ketu.

Hi Govardhantji,

I was only suggesting that though the matter of Rahu/Ketu analysis is same as per Sayan and Nirayana ayanamsa, it could be a reaearch for ALL of us to find out why it hold true in both cases, even with differing ayanamsas!! Or does it?

I a,m sure you, Proj, Raman, Govardhantji etc could do some good reaearch in this. Of course not leaving out mscbrs and myself.

This matter is very much related to Rahu/Ketu analysis. I am trying to go beyond books, by spurring some research on it.

Again, wouldnt you be interested in this research??

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Post by mysbcrs » Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:58 am

Thanks Rishi ji for the kind and encouraging words.
I a,m sure you, Proj, Raman, Govardhantji etc could do some good reaearch in this. Of course not leaving out mscbrs and myself
It will probably be a good to start with a few charts with unassociated nodes and look at it from both perspectives.

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Post by RishiRahul » Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:12 am

mysbcrs wrote:Thanks Rishi ji for the kind and encouraging words.
I a,m sure you, Proj, Raman, Govardhantji etc could do some good reaearch in this. Of course not leaving out mscbrs and myself
It will probably be a good to start with a few charts with unassociated nodes and look at it from both perspectives.

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Hi mscbrs,

Yes.. that was what i wanted too.

The quotes produced by Prasanna was very correctly, and I include a detailded version of this in my professional predictions after adapting them to the whole chart.

Yes, at first we should do it with unaspected nodes.

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Post by prasanna » Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:53 am

Dear Rishi ji,

U know my nature  well from past three years. I would be very happy if we all do this researches combine together  as u have suggested, Iam ready to take part in this too. I already wrote in Atmakaraka thread  itself,  my favorite second best planet is Rahu , as I always quote Shani Bhagwan my first . I need others co operation in this .  I am always thinking of doing researches about Thula rahu Aries ketu"s placement in 1976  born native's chart as well as  1979 born natives chart too ,because I find specially some connection to all  charts. A common  thing  I found in them (1976 born people) have some marital problems like late marriage or few charts I see no marital bliss. In our board itself I have few members with this problems  , I dont know whether they will be ready to co operate with us   or not. let me hear from all please. Thanks Rishi ji for your nice suggestion, but  as moderators  ( Iam one of the Moderators  of Mysitc board, though not vedic  forum ), I do appreciate the real concern of our friend Govardhanvt ji) we cant do this in this thread itself . Rahu ketu's signification s  in vedic   are not easily understandable, , it needs to learn in  volumes.

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Post by govardhanvt » Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:58 pm

kirby! wrote:From what i've gathered and can see in my own life with rahu and ketu is that it is where we need balance, is this correct? Ketu being the qualities we leaned to most and rahu the least.

so trying to get and even keel would be the goal or is rahu suppose to be where one should direct their energy and leave ketu's attributes behind completely.

rahu and ketu are very fascinating to me, so really any information is appreciated.

thank you.
It appears to me kirby is seeking information and not asking for conducting a research on Rahu and ketu.  It appears to me that he wishes to know the real RAHU KETU EXPERIENCE.  It would be more appropriate if the thread is confined to the topic rather than using this thread for research. Hence , it would be appropriate if the research is carried out on a different thread

I fully agree with the other moderator

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Post by prasanna » Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:06 pm

Dear Moderator Rishi ji,

             I wish to bring into your notice that , here in this thread, I find more repetition of kirby's post.Kindly delete such unwanted posts please, as it is taking more time to open the relevant post. Kindly take steps to avoid repeated post, because it is not mistake of Mr Kirby the author of this thread, it is due to some flaws in the software of mystic board, when ever I post from reply to post, it is not getting posted within  the minimum clicks of 20  times. It irritates the posters , I am loosing my concentration due to this . Let us do the research matters in seperate thread and let us all keep this thread to interest  of the author .  

Thanks Rishiji .

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Post by RishiRahul » Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:35 pm

Hi Prasanna,

Did I ever say that research would be done in this thread??   Whatever makes you jump to conclusions together, you and Govardhantji !

The research is not on Rahu Ketu, but on ayanamsa, if the others are interested only.  

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Post by prasanna » Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:45 pm

Dear Rishi ,


    Ok I understood what u are saying now. But  I request U to write  little clearer means elaborate  because Iam not able to understand exactly what U are saying. Is it ok?  I pre assume U dont want me or Govardhan ji to say sorry for  this little mis understanding . your one liners always confuses as I already quoted many times too. kindly take the corrective actions to my earlier request of repetitive posts please. . Iam ready for anything regarding the researches. Thanks dear friend.


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Post by RishiRahul » Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:30 pm

prasanna wrote:Dear Rishi ,


    Ok I understood what u are saying now. But  I request U to write  little clearer means elaborate  because Iam not able to understand exactly what U are saying. Is it ok?  I pre assume U dont want me or Govardhan ji to say sorry for  this little mis understanding . your one liners always confuses as I already quoted many times too. kindly take the corrective actions to my earlier request of repetitive posts please. . Iam ready for anything regarding the researches. Thanks dear friend.


regards,


Hi,

Since in this Rahu Ketu thread, I raised the question of Western and India and ayanamsa, it relates to the topic.. but talking of research in ayanamsa will obviously be a new thread.

The question of you and Govardhantji saying sorry is a very peculiar statement from your side, and it qualifies that issues are being made, which is not thread related; and this Board is not fond of such issues.

It is better that response in not made unrelated to this thread; or else I will use the option of closing this informative.

I am surer any serious learners would not like to make issues here, as there motive is to sincerely learn.

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