### The Tenth House ###

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### The Tenth House ###

Post by AMANUSH-FORCE » Sun Sep 18, 2005 7:21 am

The Tenth House
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The tenth house deals with prosperity growth (significator Jupiter), karma including all works, actions (significator Saturn), professions & career (significator Mercury), fame (significator Jupiter & Moon), respect (significator Jupiter), status and social rights including power (significator Sun). It represents the mid-heaven and plays a vital role in the chart, second in importance only to the ascendant. Low astakavarga bindu in these houses can considerably weaken a chart. All planets in the tenth house generally give very good results. Even Rahu gives pilgrimages if in the tenth in the natal chart or from the Narayan dasa sign. Houses whose lords are in the tenth house gain considerable strength and the activities ruled by them succeed. The tenth house has Argala on the 6th, 7th, 9th and 12th houses thereby directly affecting enemies, servants, fortune and sleep that are ruled by these houses and other matters as well. For example, Chanakya says that a king can never fall if his servants are faithful. If the servants are faithful, the sixth house is favorable and the enemies also ruled by the sixth house cannot win. This automatically affects the status ruled by the tenth house. Similarly, success automatically brings more business and associates, besides keeping the spouse happy. Ones boss, guru, or lady luckruled by the ninth house does matter in ones career. The 12th house rules final emancipation and meditation. Bad actions in the tenth house will reflect adversely on the 12th house and Moksha will be denied in the long term while sleep could be adversely hampered in the short term. A fine solution to this negative cycle would be to take up transcendental meditation (TM). The 11th, 1st, 2nd, & 8th houses have Argala on the 10th house or are capable of affecting the actions and other matters ruled by the tenth house. Thus gains, self, and net profit or loss will influence decisions and actions. If an exalted or strong natural benefic is in the ascendant, the native will be guided by its ideals and this will have a strong impact on his decisions and action. In this manner, the argala’s and their obstruction should be understood.

The fifth house is the eighth from the tenth house representing birth (beginning) and longevity (time of implementation) of an action (10th house). Thus, the fifth house rules authority and power that one enjoys due to skills & knowledge as well as ones Purva punya. The timing of joining a new job is done from the fifth house. Rajyoga also need to be confirmed in the Panchamamsa (D-5 Chart) and the Dasamsa (D-10 chart). The eleventh house from ascendant is the Hari-Hara or end of life. Similarly, the eighth house being the eleventh from the tenth house is the place of retirement or end of career. The eighth house, if beneficially disposed, can give huge loans to take large enterprises and its Argala on the seventh house and 10th house can give a new boost to ones business. If ill disposed, ones business will run into endless debt and ruin. The following maybe borne in mind while analyzing the Dasamsa.

The Dasamsa should be analyzed in detail independently like the Rasi chart. The Artha Trikona is composed of the second 6th & 10th houses. Planets in these houses will have a direct bearing on the functioning of the native. Any planet in the tenth house is independently capable of giving good yoga that could mean power, rise and success in ones career. In addition, the seventh house should also be studied, as it is the Pada to the tenth. If the Sun dominates in these houses, a political career or similar public service is indicated. If the Moon dominates, Government Service or such other professions like hotel business etc are indicated. Mars gives Police; Intelligence related activities, Army etc. Jupiter produces lawyers, Judges, Priests, Astrologers, etc. Mercury gives business, writing & publishing, trade etc. Venus gives entertainment and all works of beauty while Saturn gives heavy burden, menial jobs etc. Rahu can indicate imports while Ketu shows exports etc. The sixth house rules business and the seventh house rules business. If there are more planets in the sixth house, or if it is otherwise stronger, service is indicated. A stronger seventh house gives an independent business. Similarly, the sixth lord promotes service while the seventh lord promotes business. This could mean instability in service during the period of the seventh lord. Similarly, debilitated malefic in the seventh house will encourage service as they will damage the business.

The boss is seen from the ninth house while the subordinates are seen from the fifth house. During the period of a malefic planet having Papargala (malefic obstruction) on the ninth house, one is tormented by the boss (or ex-boss) while a benefic having Subhargala (benefic intervention) shall give a very good and helpful boss. Thus in Charts showing any kind of employment, the concerned houses for the self are the first, 6th & 10th. The third house from these (3rd, 8th & 12th) can cause problems. The eighth house will show retirement; the third house shows short leave while the 12th house shows long leave.

The ascendant lord in the ninth house makes a person very independent (he likes to be his own boss) and business is best advised in such charts or employment where a lot of scope for independent work. The second house is the eighth from the seventh house and shall play a crucial role in starting any business. In simpler words, the starting of any business is determined by the finance available. The quadrants to the 2nd house are the 5th, 8th & 11th houses showing the money that is put in by the partner, loans from banks etc. & self respectively.

The rules for judging the sex and nature of the people involved is the same as that for co-born and children.

Planets in the tenth house generally always give good result .The Sun and Mars that get directional strength in the tenth house can be a great blessing in any chart providing dynamism and success. The sun indicates pride, respect, position, status, responsibility, independent views, and help from politicians and senior officers. The Moon shows fluctuation of fortunes and success in public dealings, water or liquids, emotional views and changeability of work etc. Saturn indicates rapid rise and fall, hard work. Ketu indicates routine job .In this manner; the standard texts provide considerable information on the results of the planets in the tenth house based on the nature of the planet. The second basis is to see the relationship of the planet on the houses it has Argala on. If the Sun or Jupiter is in the tenth house, the Argala on the ninth house is very favorable and will promote father, guru and good fortune. This will simultaneously, destroy the evil effects of malefic planets in the ninth house. If Rahu or Saturn is in the tenth house, it will have Papargala on the ninth house and the father/guru will have to suffer. Saturn will cause many downturns in fortune and life will be a battle of sorts. However, Saturn will have Subhargala on the 12th house of which it is a significator and the native could learn spiritual practices like Pranayama that will be very beneficial. Ketu in the 10th house will also have Papargala on the ninth house but it will have a Subhargala on the 12th house of final emancipation (Ketu is Mokshkaraka). This will lead the native into the spiritual path and teach meditation etc. Malefics in the tenth have Papargala on the sixth house and can destroy their significations of the sixth house. For example, if Ketu is in the tenth house it could be very malefic for dogs and such pets while Saturn can create many enemies. Mercury or Venus in the tenth house can be a blessing for business. However, Ketu or Mercury in the tenth will make the native very fickle minded. The third basis is to consider the houses having Argala on the planet in the tenth house. The ascendant has sukhargala (intervention for creating happiness) on the tenth house. If the planet in the ascendant is friendly to the planet in the tenth house, then the native has job satisfaction, and if inimical, there will be a lot of dissatisfaction. Thus, the Argala of the ascendant on the tenth house can promote or damage the prospects of the tenth house because of personal desires and whims. The eleventh house has dhan argala (wealth intervention) on the tenth house. Thus, incentives like bonus can make a dent on the performance. For example, if Rahu is in the eleventh house the results of ones actions will come suddenly while Saturn will delay the fruits. Retrograde planets can even deny the fruits of the actions until they become direct in transit. The eighth house has labh argala on the tenth house. Thus, it determines the end of a work or career. The eleventh house from any Bhava has the responsibility of finishing it. This has been aptly stated by Maharishi Jaimini in the stanza Tanou tana Danda hara meaning the sixth is the house of punishment and the sixth from the sixth (11th house) is the destroyer (Hara). There are neither real enemies nor any real diseases in this illusionary world. These are only means for the Lord to punish us for our sins. People born on Shasta Tithi (the sixth day of the waxing/waning) lunar cycle or during the period of planets in the sixth house from ascendant or the dasa sign, can suffer many problems due to enemies. Fasting on Shasta and worshipping Lord Shiva /Kartikeya is the best means to take the punishment on oneself. This will end the enmity. Similarly, people born on ekadasi (11th day of lunar cycle) or during the period of planets in the eleventh house from ascendant or the planetary dasa sign, can suffer due to shad ripu (six forms of weaknesses like non-vegetarian food, alcohol, sex, etc). They should fast on ekadasi days and worship Sri Maha Vishnu to overcome these weaknesses.

The fourth point is to consider the placement of the planet from the various houses. For example, Saturn in the tenth will be in the eighth from the third house and will give a long lived younger co-born. It will also aspect the seventh house to promise a long life to spouse. There is a saying Brahma (Saturn) gives life, Vishnu (Mercury) gives wealth and all means of sustenance, and Shiva (Jupiter) gives marriage, children, Guru and all blessings. Thus if Saturn aspects any house, it gives long life to that house but if it conjoins a house, its longevity is curtailed. Saturn conjoining the lords of the first, 10th & 8th houses can reduce longevity. The Sun or Jupiter in the tenth house will be in the eighth from the third and can destroy the dharma & fortune of the younger brother because they are very inimical to the sixth house from their placement (Sarvartha Chintamani).

The placement of the tenth lord will tend to carry the effects of the significators (Mercury, Saturn, Sun & Jupiter). Thus if the tenth lord is in the ascendant, due to the effects of Mercury the native will be fickle minded; due to the effects of Saturn the native will have ill-health in childhood (till ten years: Maharishi Parasara); due to the effects of the Sun the native will prefer to pursue an independent profession and due to the effects of Jupiter the native will have fame, Status and honor. The good results of Simhasan Yoga (10th lord in 1st/2nd house) will come after middle age as planets in the 1st, 7th & 9th houses give their results in later life. The second basis is that the tenth lord shows the direction of karma and source of fortunes. If the tenth lord is in the second house or associates with the second lord, family business will be source of livelihood. If the tenth lord is afflicted, then the family business will be disrupted and cause the misfortune of the native. The strength of Jupiter the significator of Family deity is a crucial factor. Since the second house rules food, the tenth lord will also indicate business/ profession related to the hotel industry if the significator Moon also influences the tenth lord. If the tenth lord is in the third house or associates with the third lord, the job may involve constant traveling and short, journeys especially if Venus associates with the tenth lord or is in its trines. The co-born (ruled by the third house) will further the career of the native. The third basis is to count the number of signs from the tenth house to the tenth lord and vice-versa. If the tenth lord is in the third house it will be in the sixth from the tenth house and the latter will be in the eighth from it. This implies short-term (eighth house) service (6th house) or contracts (3rd house) that can be executed over a short period (8th house). If the tenth lord is in the fifth house, it will be in the eighth sign from the tenth house that will show research, occult studies and gambling or speculation. From the tenth lord, the tenth house would be the sixth sign (Upachaya) showing growth and achievement. It will also show service for the orphans, handicapped and old/sick people (8th house effect). It should be borne in mind that natural benefics like Jupiter and Moon if placed in the eighth from their sign, could cause damage to the same while their involvement in Parivartana and other yoga’s will modify the negative results. The fourth basis is to consider the placement of the tenth lord or tenth house from the Paka & Arudha Lagna. Paka Lagna is the sign occupied by the lord of the ascendant. If the tenth house or tenth lord is in the Badhak or Dusthana from the Paka & Arudha Lagna, the results are obstruction and destruction respectively.

Natural strength of houses has been mentioned in books like Laghu Parasari etc. The quadrants, in the rising order of 1st, 4th, 7th & 10th are stronger than the Upachaya s in the order 3rd, 6th & 11th (10th has been excluded as it is considered the strongest quadrant). The Upachaya's are stronger than the trine fifth & ninth houses (the ascendant is excluded in this as it is placed among the quadrants). The 2nd & 12th houses have no strength of their own and depend on the other house lordship of their owner. The eighth house is always evil and is never stronger than the ascendant. Thus on the basis of lordship the planets can be placed in the following ascending order of natural strength (influence) in the chart: - 2nd, 12th, 5th, 9th, 3rd, 6th, 11th, 8th, 1st, 4th, 7th & 10th house lord. It is evident that the tenth lord is the most influential planet in the chart as the tenth house is the most potent house for any planet to be placed. This fact should be borne in mind while analyzing Rajyoga and Duryoga i.e. combinations for prosperity and penury.

Kendradhipati dosha or the negative effect of the ownership of quadrants by benefics implies reduction in their beneficence. The benefic owner of a quadrant is still a benefic and does not become a malefic. Similarly, a malefic planet owning a quadrant will not remain a malefic and that does not imply that the malefic becomes a benefic. This loss of beneficence of a benefic lord of quadrant is called Kendradhipati dosha. This flaw is annulled if the planet is also well placed in a quadrant or trine. Similarly, a malefic planet owning a quadrant sheds its malfeasance and will give very good results if placed in an evil house. If instead, the planet is placed in a quadrant or trine, the loss of malfeasance may not occur fully. For example if Saturn is the lord of the 10th house for Taurus ascendant, its placement in the 12th house in debility will give excellent results like power, position and a good career. If the malefic is also the lord of a trine in addition to its ownership of a quadrant, then it becomes a Yogakaraka producing auspicious results.

Yogakaraka means capability for producing auspicious results. The lord of the ascendant is the natural Yogakaraka in any chart as it the first house is a quadrant and a trine. The lords of trines (5th & 9th houses) are important for wealth and sustenance while the lords of the 4th, 7th & 10th contribute to the happiness. The 1st, 10th, 7th & 4th houses/ lords represent the four ayana (goals of life) called Dharma, Artha, Kama, Moksha (Readers may refer to the Srimad Bhagavat Gita for a detailed explanation of these goals). Yoga has been loosely interpreted as Union/association and in astrology, this implies conjunction, mutual aspect or exchange of signs. A weaker yoga is caused by one planet aspecting the house of the other and vice-versa or by an exchange of constellation called sookshma yoga. The association of the lord of a quadrant with the lord of a trine results in Rajyoga producing auspicious results. Thus if the tenth lord associates with the ninth lord, Dharma-Karmadhipati yoga results. This is the highest Karma Yoga. Another form of this yoga is the association of the lord of the tenth house with the lord of the fifth house. Gyana Yoga (that leads to Moksha) is caused by the association of the lord of the fourth house with the lord of a trine. This yoga gives great learning and knowledge. Subha yoga or good results are produced by the placement of the lord of a quadrant in a trine. Duryoga or inauspicious results are produced by the placement of the lord of a quadrant in a Dusthana (evil house). However, the Duryoga is modified if it associates with the lord of a trine. Rajbhang yoga is caused by the association of the lord of a quadrant with the lord of a Dusthana in an evil house. If instead, they associate in a quadrant, Vipareeta Rajyoga occurs. Vipareeta Rajyoga is also caused by the association of the lords of two Dusthana in an evil house. For example, if Taurus ascendant has Jupiter and Venus in the sixth house, they are the lords of the 8th and 6th houses (Dusthana) associating in an evil house (6th house) resulting in destruction of enemies and good prosperity. If Virgo ascendant has Mars (3rd & 8th lord), Mercury(1st & 10th lord) and the Sun (12th 10 lord) in the tenth house in Gemini, Vipareeta Rajyoga results during the period of Mars & the Sun only. Mahapurush yoga is caused by the placement of a planet in its own sign or in exaltation in a quadrant. The strength of the luminaries is very vital for initiating the Rajyoga and sustaining the same.

Kalyana Verma emphasizes the importance of planets in the tenth from the Moon sign and Hora Lagna. The mind is the controller of all actions and activity. The planets in the tenth house from the Moon sign or the lord of the tenth house from the Moon sign will give considerable information about the Career and fortunes of the native. Similarly, the tenth house from Hora Lagna should also be seen after studying the tenth from the ascendant. For example, if Mars strongly influences the tenth house from the Moon by placement.


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Post by nehakad » Tue Oct 03, 2006 8:00 pm

hallo many things r rightly said. myself is working on call basis having short journeys dealing with many people.i have 10th lord in 3rd house &moon ketu in 10th house. i m planning 2 have my own clinic and settel down. is nt it possible.my d.o.b.  16-8-1976     t.o.b.6.00am  p.o.b. hissar

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Post by life2007 » Sun Nov 04, 2007 4:01 pm

Respected Sir

Thank you for providing and sharing such vital and extensive knowledge of 10th house.

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Post by asro » Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:03 pm

hi,

its an excellent compilation of info related to 10th house.In most of the part you have mentioned that planets in 10th house give good results. Does this apply to functional malefics also ?? earlier in a different thread i had asked wht is the effect of 8th lord in 10th house ?? the reply then  received was it my deteriorate the natives ocupation. Can ne one help me out  here ??  
In my case i have the 8th lord (venus) in 10th house. My lagna is pisces.

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Post by AMANUSH-FORCE » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:44 am

8th lord in tenth is good for healers of all kind and reculse physicians as well

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[quote="AMANUSH-FORCE"][size=18][color=red]The Tenth House[/color][/size]
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Post by Rohiniranjan » Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:57 am

[quote="AMANUSH-FORCE"]8th lord in tenth is good for healers of all kind and reculse physicians as well[/quote]

Another fellow was saying: lawyer, insurance agent, undertaker, researcher, miners, exterminators, and a few other businesses. Were they all wrong?
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Ruler of eighth in tenth house (sequential unfolding...!)

Post by Rohiniranjan » Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:48 am

[quote="rohiniranjan"][quote="AMANUSH-FORCE"]8th lord in tenth is good for healers of all kind and reculse physicians as well[/quote]

Another fellow was saying: lawyer, insurance agent, undertaker, researcher, miners, exterminators, and a few other businesses. Were they all wrong?[/quote]

While supper is getting ready, I thought I will do a mini exploration on this interesting thread. What happens when ruler of 8th goes into 10th house?

Base set has 18578 horoscopes of A or higher Rodden rating
R8 in H10 in this set are 1419 charts!

Now in this 1419 let us look at the following occupational categories
CATEGORY
Sex trade
Engineers
Science (hard core)
Religion (incl. cults)
Healers (all kinds)
Medical (incl chiropracters, DO)
Law (including intelligence types)
Military
Education
Politicians
Awards (windfalls)
Occultists
Writers


CATEGORY # of charts
Sex trade 9
Engineers 23
Science (hard core) 26
Religion (incl. cults) 28
Healers (all kinds) 29
Medical (incl chiropracters, DO) 39
Law (including intelligence types) 45
Military 64
Education 86
Politicians 101
Awards (windfalls) 143
Occultists 181
Writers 207



These represent %

CATEGORY # out of % C1
Sex trade 9 0.63
Engineers 23 1.62
Science (hard core) 26 1.83
Religion (incl. cults) 28 1.97
Healers (all kinds) 29 2.04
Medical (incl chiropracters, DO) 39 2.75
Law (including intelligence types) 45 3.17
Military 64 4.51
Education 86 6.06
Politicians 101 7.12
Awards (windfalls) 143 10.08
Occultists 181 12.76
Writers 207 14.59


Yes Virginia! You will have to work here a bit because the forum font screws up the alignment! Only those seriously interested will get it (copy and paste into notepad ;-)

Some of the HIGHER FREQUENCIES (last three) needed more scrutiny as I have often indicated. That is where we check the frequency of categories in the original database population! If there were more writers in the original test population, they will show up as falsely high frequencies in each frequency examination! Right?

CATEGORY # out of # out of E1 % E1
Sex trade 9
Engineers 23
Science (hard core) 26
Religion (incl. cults) 28
Healers (all kinds) 29
Medical (incl chiropracters, DO) 39
Law (including intelligence types) 45
Military 64
Education 86
Politicians 101
Awards (windfalls) 143 1853 9.97
Occultists 181 2299 12.37
Writers 207 2957 15.92


THE WHOLE NINE YARDS (finally!)
CATEGORY # out of # out of E1 % C1 % E1
Sex trade 9 0.63
Engineers 23 1.62
Science (hard core) 26 1.83
Religion (incl. cults) 28 1.97
Healers (all kinds) 29 2.04
Medical (incl chiropracters, DO) 39 2.75
Law (including intelligence types) 45 3.17
Military 64 4.51
Education 86 6.06
Politicians 101 7.12
Awards (windfalls) 143 1853 10.08 9.97
Occultists 181 2299 12.76 12.37
Writers 207 2957 14.59 15.92

The columns again are
category, # in R8inH10 group, # in 18578, % in group, % in 18578

Where two percentages have been calculaled (last 3 categories) and the % values are similar, then even if the FREQUENCY by numbers seem higher, CAVEAT RESEARCHER (even if there is ONE such amongst the readers -- Thank YOU, MA!)

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Re: Ruler of eighth in tenth house (sequential unfolding...!)

Post by Votive » Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:56 am

[quote="rohiniranjan While supper is getting ready, I thought I will do a mini exploration on this interesting thread. What happens when ruler of 8th goes into 10th house?

Base set has 18578 horoscopes of A or higher Rodden rating
R8 in H10 in this set are 1419 charts!


THE WHOLE NINE YARDS (finally!)
CATEGORY # out of # out of E1 % C1 % E1
Sex trade 9 0.63
Engineers 23 1.62
Science (hard core) 26 1.83
Religion (incl. cults) 28 1.97
Healers (all kinds) 29 2.04
Medical (incl chiropracters, DO) 39 2.75
Law (including intelligence types) 45 3.17
Military 64 4.51
Education 86 6.06
Politicians 101 7.12
Awards (windfalls) 143 1853 10.08 9.97
Occultists 181 2299 12.76 12.37
Writers 207 2957 14.59 15.92

The columns again are
category, # in R8inH10 group, # in 18578, % in group, % in 18578

Where two percentages have been calculaled (last 3 categories) and the % values are similar, then even if the FREQUENCY by numbers seem higher, CAVEAT RESEARCHER (even if there is ONE such amongst the readers -- Thank YOU, MA!)[/quote]


There does seem to be some error either in my understanding or in the data. For the data suggests that out of 18578 charts there are as many as 1853 windfalls, 2299 occultists and 2957 writers...combinng to nearly 7000 out of 18000.
Or...does each chart has many occupations listed and the figure from which the calculations are being made much higher than 18000?

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Re: Ruler of eighth in tenth house (sequential unfolding...!)

Post by Rohiniranjan » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:11 am

[quote="Votive"][quote="rohiniranjan While supper is getting ready, I thought I will do a mini exploration on this interesting thread. What happens when ruler of 8th goes into 10th house?

Base set has 18578 horoscopes of A or higher Rodden rating
R8 in H10 in this set are 1419 charts!


THE WHOLE NINE YARDS (finally!)
CATEGORY # out of # out of E1 % C1 % E1
Sex trade 9 0.63
Engineers 23 1.62
Science (hard core) 26 1.83
Religion (incl. cults) 28 1.97
Healers (all kinds) 29 2.04
Medical (incl chiropracters, DO) 39 2.75
Law (including intelligence types) 45 3.17
Military 64 4.51
Education 86 6.06
Politicians 101 7.12
Awards (windfalls) 143 1853 10.08 9.97
Occultists 181 2299 12.76 12.37
Writers 207 2957 14.59 15.92

The columns again are
category, # in R8inH10 group, # in 18578, % in group, % in 18578

Where two percentages have been calculaled (last 3 categories) and the % values are similar, then even if the FREQUENCY by numbers seem higher, CAVEAT RESEARCHER (even if there is ONE such amongst the readers -- Thank YOU, MA!)[/quote]


There does seem to be some error either in my understanding or in the data. For the data suggests that out of 18578 charts there are as many as 1853 windfalls, 2299 occultists and 2957 writers...combinng to nearly 7000 out of 18000.
Or...does each chart has many occupations listed and the figure from which the calculations are being made much higher than 18000?

votive[/quote]

Dear Votive,

There could be overlaps but maybe I am missing your point! Please do elaborate :-)

These are not exclusive categories after all. Occultists have been known to be writers and sometimes they do have windfalls!

The point is that the category frequency in the subgroup (R8 in H10) is the same or similar as in the SAMPLE (18K+). I see your point I think and will see if I can do an 'exclusive' (XOR as called in boolean logic I suppose) and see if the three large categories have repeat offenders (a term you would be familiar with I am sure ;-))
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Re: Ruler of eighth in tenth house (sequential unfolding...!)

Post by AMANUSH-FORCE » Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:48 am

rohiniranjan wrote:
rohiniranjan wrote:
AMANUSH-FORCE wrote:8th lord in tenth is good for healers of all kind and reculse physicians as well
Another fellow was saying: lawyer, insurance agent, undertaker, researcher, miners, exterminators, and a few other businesses. Were they all wrong?
While supper is getting ready, I thought I will do a mini exploration on this interesting thread. What happens when ruler of 8th goes into 10th house?

Base set has 18578 horoscopes of A or higher Rodden rating
R8 in H10 in this set are 1419 charts!

Now in this 1419 let us look at the following occupational categories
CATEGORY
Sex trade
Engineers
Science (hard core)
Religion (incl. cults)
Healers (all kinds)
Medical (incl chiropracters, DO)
Law (including intelligence types)
Military
Education
Politicians
Awards (windfalls)
Occultists
Writers


CATEGORY # of charts
Sex trade 9
Engineers 23
Science (hard core) 26
Religion (incl. cults) 28
Healers (all kinds) 29
Medical (incl chiropracters, DO) 39
Law (including intelligence types) 45
Military 64
Education 86
Politicians 101
Awards (windfalls) 143
Occultists 181
Writers 207



These represent %

CATEGORY # out of % C1
Sex trade 9 0.63
Engineers 23 1.62
Science (hard core) 26 1.83
Religion (incl. cults) 28 1.97
Healers (all kinds) 29 2.04
Medical (incl chiropracters, DO) 39 2.75
Law (including intelligence types) 45 3.17
Military 64 4.51
Education 86 6.06
Politicians 101 7.12
Awards (windfalls) 143 10.08
Occultists 181 12.76
Writers 207 14.59


Yes Virginia! You will have to work here a bit because the forum font screws up the alignment! Only those seriously interested will get it (copy and paste into notepad ;-)

Some of the HIGHER FREQUENCIES (last three) needed more scrutiny as I have often indicated. That is where we check the frequency of categories in the original database population! If there were more writers in the original test population, they will show up as falsely high frequencies in each frequency examination! Right?

CATEGORY # out of # out of E1 % E1
Sex trade 9
Engineers 23
Science (hard core) 26
Religion (incl. cults) 28
Healers (all kinds) 29
Medical (incl chiropracters, DO) 39
Law (including intelligence types) 45
Military 64
Education 86
Politicians 101
Awards (windfalls) 143 1853 9.97
Occultists 181 2299 12.37
Writers 207 2957 15.92


THE WHOLE NINE YARDS (finally!)
CATEGORY # out of # out of E1 % C1 % E1
Sex trade 9 0.63
Engineers 23 1.62
Science (hard core) 26 1.83
Religion (incl. cults) 28 1.97
Healers (all kinds) 29 2.04
Medical (incl chiropracters, DO) 39 2.75
Law (including intelligence types) 45 3.17
Military 64 4.51
Education 86 6.06
Politicians 101 7.12
Awards (windfalls) 143 1853 10.08 9.97
Occultists 181 2299 12.76 12.37
Writers 207 2957 14.59 15.92

The columns again are
category, # in R8inH10 group, # in 18578, % in group, % in 18578

Where two percentages have been calculaled (last 3 categories) and the % values are similar, then even if the FREQUENCY by numbers seem higher, CAVEAT RESEARCHER (even if there is ONE such amongst the readers -- Thank YOU, MA!)

Statistics is a mathematical science pertaining to the collection, analysis, interpretation or explanation, and presentation of data. It is applicable to a wide variety of academic disciplines, from the natural and social sciences to the humanities. Statistics is also used for making informed decisions in government and business.

There is a general perception that statistical knowledge is all-too-frequently intentionally misused, by finding ways to interpret the data that are favorable to the presenter. A famous saying attributed to Benjamin Disraeli is, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." And Harvard President Lawrence Lowell wrote in 1909 that statistics, "like veal pies, are good if you know the person that made them, and are sure of the ingredients."

If various studies appear to contradict one another, then the public may come to distrust such studies. For example, one study may suggest that a given diet or activity raises blood pressure, while another may suggest that it lowers blood pressure. The discrepancy can arise from subtle variations in experimental design, such as differences in the patient groups or research protocols, that are not easily understood by the non-expert. (Media reports sometimes omit this vital contextual information entirely.)

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Re: ### The Tenth House ###

Post by AMANUSH-FORCE » Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:50 am

rohiniranjan wrote:
AMANUSH-FORCE wrote:The Tenth House
:smt002 COURTESY---SJC siberia................... :)

Gday... :smt020
SIBERIA? WOW!!

By choosing (or rejecting, or modifying) a certain sample, results can be manipulated; throwing out outliers is one means of doing so. Such manipulations need not be malicious or devious; they can arise from unintentional biases of the researcher. The graphs used to summarize data can also be misleading.

Deeper criticisms come from the fact that the hypothesis testing approach, widely used and in many cases required by law or regulation, forces one hypothesis (the null hypothesis) to be "favored", and can also seem to exaggerate the importance of minor differences in large studies. A difference that is highly statistically significant can still be of no practical significance. (See criticism of hypothesis testing and controversy over the null hypothesis.)

One response has been a greater emphasis on the p-value over simply reporting whether a hypothesis was rejected at the given level of significance. The p-value, however, does not indicate the size of the effect. Another increasingly common approach is to report confidence intervals. Although these are produced from the same calculations as hypothesis tests or p-values, they describe both the size of the effect and the uncertainty surrounding it.

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Re: ### The Tenth House ###

Post by Rohiniranjan » Sat Feb 23, 2008 12:16 am

[quote="AMANUSH-FORCE"][quote="rohiniranjan"][quote="AMANUSH-FORCE"][size=18][color=red]The Tenth House[/color][/size]
:smt002 COURTESY---SJC siberia................... :)

Gday... :smt020[/quote]

SIBERIA? WOW!![/quote]
[b]
By choosing (or rejecting, or modifying) a certain sample, results can be manipulated; throwing out outliers is one means of doing so. Such manipulations need not be malicious or devious; they can arise from unintentional biases of the researcher. The graphs used to summarize data can also be misleading.

Deeper criticisms come from the fact that the hypothesis testing approach, widely used and in many cases required by law or regulation, forces one hypothesis (the null hypothesis) to be "favored", and can also seem to exaggerate the importance of minor differences in large studies. A difference that is highly statistically significant can still be of no practical significance. (See criticism of hypothesis testing and controversy over the null hypothesis.)

One response has been a greater emphasis on the p-value over simply reporting whether a hypothesis was rejected at the given level of significance. The p-value, however, does not indicate the size of the effect. Another increasingly common approach is to report confidence intervals. Although these are produced from the same calculations as hypothesis tests or p-values, they describe both the size of the effect and the uncertainty surrounding it.[/b][/quote]



Dear poster,

Are you copying and pasting from your statistics-101 notes or is there a relevance of the last post to what we are discussing and working with. Where did you get the p value or chi squared or similar in what has been discussed so far? :-)

We are simply working with 'odds-ratios' so far, very ground-level stuff!
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Re: Ruler of eighth in tenth house (sequential unfolding...!)

Post by Votive » Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:46 am

rohiniranjan wrote: Dear Votive,

There could be overlaps but maybe I am missing your point! Please do elaborate :-)

These are not exclusive categories after all. Occultists have been known to be writers and sometimes they do have windfalls!

The point is that the category frequency in the subgroup (R8 in H10) is the same or similar as in the SAMPLE (18K+). I see your point I think and will see if I can do an 'exclusive' (XOR as called in boolean logic I suppose) and see if the three large categories have repeat offenders (a term you would be familiar with I am sure ;-))

Actually, I felt that if in the total sample there are nearly 10% plus cases of "windfall" it cannot be termed as 'windfall'.
Secondly, if multiple occupational categories are listed implying an occultist being a writer and recieving a windfall too then the sample size exceeds 18000 K for occupational categories. I am not a scientist or a statistician but this is how I look at it.

There are certain interesting features to the data as well
If we use the jyotish hypothesis that if 8th Lord occupies Tenth then "subject to many varied factors" the 8th house matters are likely to get reflected in occupations/professions of the natives. ..then the data suggests that out of 18K sample we have 1419 cases of 8th Lord in Tenth ( roughly 8 percent which is only to be expected).
Out of these 1419 cases in around a 1000 cases the professions suggest Sex trade
Engineers
Science (hard core)
Religion (incl. cults)
Healers (all kinds)
Medical (incl chiropracters, DO)
Law (including intelligence types)
Military
Education
Politicians
Awards (windfalls)
Occultists
Writers
almost 70 %, very significant, suggesting that with this limited analysis there is a possible validation of the jyothish hypothesis.


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Re: Ruler of eighth in tenth house (sequential unfolding...!)

Post by Rohiniranjan » Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:02 am

[quote="Votive"]Actually, I felt that if in the total sample there are nearly 10% plus cases of "windfall" it cannot be termed as 'windfall'.
Secondly, if multiple occupational categories are listed implying an occultist being a writer and recieving a windfall too then the sample size exceeds 18000 K for occupational categories. I am not a scientist or a statistician but this is how I look at it.

There are certain interesting features to the data as well
If we use the jyotish hypothesis that if 8th Lord occupies Tenth then "subject to many varied factors" the 8th house matters are likely to get reflected in occupations/professions of the natives. ..then the data suggests that out of 18K sample we have 1419 cases of 8th Lord in Tenth ( roughly 8 percent which is only to be expected).
Out of these 1419 cases in around a 1000 cases the professions suggest Sex trade
Engineers
Science (hard core)
Religion (incl. cults)
Healers (all kinds)
Medical (incl chiropracters, DO)
Law (including intelligence types)
Military
Education
Politicians
Awards (windfalls)
Occultists
Writers
almost 70 %, very significant, suggesting that with this limited analysis there is a possible validation of the jyothish hypothesis.


Votive[/quote]

Dear Votive,

Can you elaborate a bit more for the kund-buddhis here like me :-)

Not sure where you were planning to go with this analysis in your post!

We await eagerly your patient follow-up.

Should the 8th lord in 10th not create trouble for vocational success or one not able to deliver the promise that the soul made? <unless you, like me consider the hint given in sudarshana chart in BPHS as significant ;-)>
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