Vimshottari Timings for Planets of Mixed Attributes

Vinay Jha · Post by **Vinay Jha** » Tue Dec 23, 2008 4:15 pm

Often a planet is both good and bad, how to decide when we get which result?

Often a planet possesses both good and bad attributes. How we should decide when we get which result during the dashās of such a planet of mixed attributes ? For instance, if a student takes appears in an examination during the dashā of such a planet, whether he/will get through or fail? Or will he hover at the passing point ?

For instance, if Jupiter is in moolatrikona in a particular horoscope , it is highly auspicious on account of that. But if it is lord of 6th and 11th houses at the same time, it is  highly malefic.

It is wrong to assume that these opposite attributes cancel each other. In rainfall analysis, I found that such planets cause excessive rainfall on account of being in moolatrikona, but cause destruction from rains and/or flooding due to their malefic nature.

I have worked for many years in rain prediction, and there I had faced tricky questions. What will be total amount of rainfall due to a planet which is good (eg, exalted) and bad (eg, in 12th house)? The answer I found, from analysis of past data of 136 years procured from IITM (Pune) is that net result will be nearly ±5% of normal rainfall, if other planets do not influence that particular region (ie, have no aspect and no relation with rain's kāraka). But places pierced (viddha) by malefic planets in Sarvatobhadra chakra in that region will be badly hit by excessive or scanty rainfall depending upon magnitude of aspect, and places pierced by benefics will be blessed with rains conducive to good harvest.

In individual horoscopes, similar situations, however, produce different problems. Many persons are confused about malefic and benefic planets. Jupiter as lord of 3rd and 6th houses is malefic, but if it is situated in mooltrikona, it is benefic as well. Now a question arises : when such a planet will give its good results, and when its malefic fruits will be reaped ?

Rule-I :

The answer is simple : during MD (mahādashā) of Jupiter, one will get good results during AD (antardashā) of Jupiter's own AD or ADs of friendly relatives, and bad results during ADs of enmical planets. This principle works down to prāndashā level. For instance, if such a mixed Jupiter is kāraka of sukshma-dashā, it will give give good results during prāna-dashā of its friends and bad results during prāna-dashā of its enemies.

For instance, a native topped school board exams during Jupiter's MD and Jupiter's AD (pratyantara and sukshma were of auspicious planets too). But the same native failed to get through the examinations just two years later during AD of Saturn, although Saturn was lord of 4th and 5th houses and was therefore auspicious for that native. The cause was mutual enmity and conjunction (yuti) relation between Jupiter and Saturn. Jupiter gave its good results during its own AD , but during Saturn's AD mainly the malefic results of Jupiter were manifest, benefic results of both Jupiter and Saturn lied dormant. It was the worst period in the life of that native. He could not leave his house for a long period due to illness, depression and bad relations with everyone, and failed in examinations.

But during Saturn's MD and Jupiter's AD, things were good for the same native, because Saturn, being an auspicious planet (kendresh plus trikonesh) gave its good results through its yuti relative jupiter, and suppressed the bad effects of malefic Jupiter due to mutual enmity. It was the best period in the life of same native and he excelled in whatever he attempted ! Thus, Jupiter's MD gave both best and worst results in the life of a single native.

It is a general principle, which works only when aspects of both planets (eg, planets causing MD and AD) are nearly equal upon the bhāva we are analyzing. If any one of them has very strong influence in comparison to the other planet over that particular bhāva, the stronger planet will break the above rule and give its own good or bad fruits in proportion of its strength.

Net result becomes more complex when influences of other planets are also considered, which we must do, because many influences are effective for whole life irrespective of dashā. For instance, a person will not become long during MD of Saturn and dwarf during MD of Mercury.

Rule-II :

Now let us consider another problem. Suppose we are in a situation in which we an answer in binary language or yes or no. Eg., whether one will pass or fail in an examination, live or die during a critical surgery, etc. Mixed answers will not do under such circumstances. Such cases are rare when a patients neither lives nor dies, and relapses in a coma, or a student's result is washed away by floods in the board office.

In such situations, we have to evaluate the net auspiciousness or inauspiciousness of all the five kāraka planets of five levels of Vimshottari, taking into account benefic and malefic properties of each of them. Long practice coupled with intuition developed by means of inner purity helps in this evaluation. During such an evaluation, an exalted planet in 12th mansion must be counted as a normal planet.

Only general outlines are presented here. Both of above laws work always work perfectly, but only when we follow the siddhānta (mathematics) of ancient sages.

Vinay Jha · Post by **Vinay Jha** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:12 am

I said above "Both of above laws work always work perfectly, but only when we follow the siddhānta (mathematics) of ancient sages."

Prevalent methods of computing Vimshottari dashās contain two major sources of error in timing, one on account of Drikpakshiya Moon and another on account of wrong duration of 'year' used. Canonical texts strictly define Vimshottari's year to be of 360 days. Solar year is slightly over 365 days. Hence, Solar year must not be used for Vimshottari. Vimshottari is made from lunar asterism (nakshatra). Hence its year is lunar. Lunar year is of 360 lunar days (tithis). This is Vimshottari's year. Unfortunately, few astrologers use this correct year for Vimshottari computations. As a result, there is a 3.07% error in the length of Vimshottari year. If true moon is acurately computed, Vimshottari timing at birth will be correct, but will err by one year after 32.57 years, by two years after 65 years, and so on. As a result, 8% of mahādashā timings and 70% of antar-dashā timings will be wrong ! Very few persons will have accurate pratyantaras in their Vimshottari tables ! If birthtime true moon is also wrong, there will be greater error !

Among all the Vedic softwares I have hitherto seen, only two softwares give the option of selecting lunar year in computing Vimshottari, and few people take advantage of these options ! New theories of predictive astrology (Phalit Jyotisha) are being invented to account for the mismatch in predictions and reality, instead of trying the ancient method of sages.

Some practising astrologers knew this mismatch in timing, but did not know the reason. Dr Kāmeshwar Upādhyāya, former editor of Vishwa Panchānga published by BHU (Benaras Hindu University), told me many years ago that all planets start giving results many months before their real Vimshottari timing begins. At that time, he was using solar year for Vimshottari reckoning. He is one of the most busy practising astrologers of Varanasi and has analysed a remendous number of horoscopes made with the help of all sorts of methods. Now he is convinced that lunar year should be used for Vimshottari reckoning, but fears that majority of astrologers will become his opponent due to professional reasons, hence keeps quiet but uses lunar year in his own computations. Same is the case with some other reputed astrologers.

But there is another, more serious, problem : use of Drikpakshiya Moon in Vedic Astrology, which results in considerable error in Vimshottari reckoning. But the magnitude of this error remains constant throughout the life of a native. For instance, if a planet starts giving its results 6 months before its computed time according to lunar year, all planets will show same error of 6 months throughout the life of that native. Hence, it will be easy to recognize that there is an error of 6 months, which can be remedied by using Saurpakshiya correctives according to ancient techniques. Magnitude of this error is different for different persons, sometimes running into years !

How long this wrong Vimshottari year will prevail is a matter of our collective choice. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it. Predictive (Phalita) astrology of Vedic sages is an exact science, provided we keep true to their Ganita. Grahas of Vedic Jyotisha are deities, according to all ancient authorities, and deities cannot be perceived sensorily. I have dared to write on this blasphemous topic in an age of materialism, in which material objects of sky are believed to be deities. Let me see what is the reaction !

-VJ

Certain · Post by **Certain** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 2:48 pm

Nice article, Vinayji.

Bhuwan Agrawal · Post by **Bhuwan Agrawal** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 5:16 pm

Vinayji,

Excellent stuff, but what anayansa should we use for Vedic Astrology.

Bhuwan

projenator · Post by **projenator** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 5:25 pm

Rohiniranjanji has advocated the use of lahiri - 58' for ayanamsa purposes with 360 day savana year. In my experience, it works better than lahiri as far as Vimshottari dasa goes.

projenator · Post by **projenator** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 5:30 pm

Vinay Jha wrote: all planets start giving results many months before their real Vimshottari timing begins.

Totally agree, my own horoscope is a great example which I can argue with specific events. I have a bunch of others in my DB which I can produce, hence I don't trust lahiri ayanamsa fully. Rohiniranjanji's ayanamsa gives much better results, since he is not a famous guy, his ayanamsa lacks popularity.

Bhuwan Agrawal · Post by **Bhuwan Agrawal** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 5:33 pm

what about the latest anayana that comes with JHORA7.3 " Modified Lahiri
Vishnu Nabhi Plane". I cannot find the Lahir 58 in JHORA software.

projenator · Post by **projenator** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 5:42 pm

Bhuwan Agrawal wrote:what about the latest anayana that comes with JHORA7.3 " Modified Lahiri
Vishnu Nabhi Plane". I cannot find the Lahir 58 in JHORA software.

I had posted the entire article from PVR's website on that new ayanamsa of his but in practice I found it to be only a minor variant to Lahiri.

Lahiri minus 58 minutes is not ready made in Jhora but you can apply the correction in the ayanamsa calculation settings under preferences. In case you need detailed instructions, please let me know.

regards,

Vinay Jha · Post by **Vinay Jha** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 5:43 pm

I had to experiment with all possible values of Ayanāmsha . But now I have no confusion. At present, Ayanāmsha's value at 22:38':44.5'' gives correct results on all fronts of Vedic Astrology (for end of 2008 AD). But there are other problems of more profound nature.

-VJ

Bhuwan Agrawal · Post by **Bhuwan Agrawal** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 5:48 pm

thanks Projenatorji and Vinayji

projenator · Post by **projenator** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 6:01 pm

When I calculate using jhora my chart using Rohiniranjanji's and Lahiri ayanamsa, I get the following. I also want to remind that RRji advocates use of 360 day savana year with vimshottari dasha, so any prospective users will have to do both the tweaks before checking results

Natal Chart with Rohiniranjanji's ayanamsa

Date: July 5, 1976
Time: 14:02:00
Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)
Place: 88 E 18' 00", 22 N 35' 00"
Howrah, India
Altitude: 0.00 meters

Ayanamsa: 22-33-44.35
Sidereal Time: 9:19:04

Natal Chart with Lahiri ayanamsa

Date: July 5, 1976
Time: 14:02:00
Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)
Place: 88 E 18' 00", 22 N 35' 00"
Howrah, India
Altitude: 0.00 meters

Ayanamsa: 23-31-44.35
Sidereal Time: 9:19:04

I am aware that KN Rao strongly advocates Lahiri ayanamsa and he had strong differences with B V Raman on this but I have observed K N Rao uses a lot of intuition in his readings, by that I mean he relies less on the mathematics of it, often in his books, I find disconnects in his analysis although he reaches the correct conclusion in the end which is more important to any reading seeker. He is a highly developed soul with jagrata jyotishmati nadi, mere mortals like me are not.

Whatever it is, Lahiri ayanamsa, in my experience is inaccurate but I am not sure of the perfect one. RRji's ayanamsa has worked for me so far in most cases and I am willing to try others as well.

Vinay Jha · Post by **Vinay Jha** » Wed Dec 24, 2008 6:34 pm

projenator got Ayanamsa of  22-33-44.35 for his own chart as per Rohiniranjanji's value, which is marginally different from 22:35:37 for projenator's birthday according to the traditional method which I have found to work best.

I again repeat that major reason of mismatch in timing of events is not Ayanamsha alone, but a mix of myriads of factors. Even 360 days' savana year for Vimshottari is not correct. Chhāndogya Upasishada clearly states that the full age of a human being is 116 years. If 120 Vimshottari years are divided with 1.0307, we get 116.4, which can be rounded off to get the Vedic value stated in Chhāndogya Upasishada.

This factor 1.0307 is the ratio of solar and lunar years.

Secondly,Vimshottari is made from Moon's longitudes, hence its year ought to be based upon moon.

Thirdly, this value of Vimshottari year (equal to 354.367 solar days) has been found to work perfectly well in thousands of horoscopes without a single exception, down to sukshma dashā and Prāna dashā. Slight uncertainties in Prāna dashā is due to a few seconds or even a few minutes error in almost all horoscopes which can be rectified with the help of principal good or bad events in the lives of natives.

After correcting Ayanāmsha and Vimshottari year, the main problem that remains is Drikpakshiya versus Saurpakshiya longitudes of planets. it is the most tricky problem in Vedic Astrology. If it is resolved, Vedic Astrology will become very very easy even for beginners. Its solution lies readymade, but there is a great psychological barrier.

-VJ

projenator · Post by **projenator** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 1:45 am

Is there any offset we can use from Lahiri or other ayanamsas to emulate this in Jhora or other softwares ? if not, how do we put the aforementioned to practice. Is there any way I can calculate the Vimshottari dasha using the aforementioned process and test it against my life events. It's understandable if you don't want to disclose the proprietary algorithm for calculating the dasha, in that case would you be willing to calculate and post the results ?

Vinay Jha · Post by **Vinay Jha** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 4:17 am

Is there any offset we can use from Lahiri or other ayanamsas to emulate this in Jhora or other softwares ? if not, how do we put the aforementioned to practice. Is there any way I can calculate the Vimshottari dasha using the aforementioned process and test it against my life events. It's understandable if you don't want to disclose the proprietary algorithm for calculating the dasha, in that case would you be willing to calculate and post the results ?

I already said that "the solution lies readymade", which is a free software.

I've seen some other softwares in which one gets an option to change the length of Vimshottari year and magnitude of ayanāmsha. But the problem of Vedic offsets required in longitudes of planets remains unsolved (this is the main problem, which I termed as "psychological barrier", because some persons refuse to even test its validity, because they believe material planets to be Vedic deities, requiring no offsets.

There is only one software in the world (named Kundalee, not Kundli) which contains all these offsets and one has merely to enter native's data. This software can be procured freely from following persons, among others (no one has a right to sell it, it was developed by a Vedic monk with the help of many top-ranked scholars) :

(1)Dr Radhakant Mishra, Head of Dept of Jyotisha of KSD Sanskrit University (Darbhanga, Bihar,India, PIN-846008).
(2)Dr Nagendra Pandey, Head of Dept of Jyotisha in Sampoornanand Sanskrit University, Varanasi, India
(3)Dr Girija Shankar Shastri, (HOD of Sanskrit at Allahabad, and was recently invited by Himalayan Institute in Pennsylvania for teaching astrology).
(4)Dr Kameshwar Upadhyaya, former editor of world famous Vishva Panchanga of BHU(Varanasi) and now general secretary of Kashi Vidvat Parishada.
(4) The best way is to send me email ID by means of PM or email; I can send the software via email or guide how to download it from a website free of cost.

I've already disclosed "the proprietary algorithm for calculating the dasha". Use the lunar year of 354.367 solar days(=360 lunar days or tithis) ; there is no need to change anything else in Vimshottari computation. But only the developer of any software can change the algorithm, users have either to make the computations manually or get the correct software.

A software should not be tested only for a single native. In the case of Amitabh Bachchan, I found popular softwares and Kundalee software had negligible difference in Vimshottari timings for the maing part of his acting career due to a negative offset in his birthtime Moon's longitude, which resulted in a zero offset when he was nearly 40 years old. In such rare cases, popular softwares also seem to be correct. But in no case Kundalee software can be found to be in the wrong.

I can discuss all secret algorithms of Vedic astrology only with those persons who are sincerely willing to test this Kundalee software, because without a proper tool for testing, all discussion is futile and may even lead to acrimony.

-VJ

Vinay Jha · Post by **Vinay Jha** » Thu Dec 25, 2008 4:59 am

A sadhu from Kamrup's Kamakhya predicted my lifespan without even looking at my horoscope or asking my birthtime or looking at my palm, and what he said was perfectly in consonance with what I had computed according to rules of Parashara and Jaimini ! Projenator rightly remarked that Shri KN Rao works intuitively. In my talks with Shri KN Rao, I was disappointed to find that he showed no interest in discussing mathematical problems of Vedic Astrology.

Intuition helps, but it is only a paramhamsa sanyasi whose intuition is infallible. Intuition is the inner tuition from God. Shri Rao may be a great intuitive astrologer. In my view Shri Rao's successes are due to certain auspicious yogas in his horoscope. Shri Rao should not be cited in matthers of Ganita Jyotisha, he may be cited in Phalita jyotisa. I am not demeaning Shri Rao. Shri Rao himself never posed as a mathematician.

Ayanamsha used by me is the traditional stuff used by all luminaries from Aryabhatta and Varah Mihir to modern pandits. Why Rohiniranjan should have a negligible difference of 2' is not clear to me. Perhaps Rohiniranjan also uses the traditional Ayanamsha which I have found to be best suited for all astrological purposes. 2' difference in Rohiniranjan's and mine Ayanamshas in the case of  Projenator's chart are perhaps due to Projenator's and not Rohiniranjan's oversight. I request Projenator to inform me how he deduced this ayanamsha.

-VJ

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