Elder Wife or Younger husband

[prasanna]

Age Difference / Older Woman / Younger Man

0 Years (less than one year age difference)

Catherine Middleton . . . Prince William
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1 Year

Angela Bassett . . . Courtney B. Vance
Victoria Beckham (Victoria Adams/"Posh" Spice) . . . David Beckham
Camilla Parker Bowles . . . Prince Charles
Brandy . . . Robert Smith
Jane Fonda . . . Ted Turner
Cassandra Harris . . . Pierce Brosnan
Helen Hunt . . . Hank Azaria
Nicole Kidman . . . Keith Urban
Sharon Lawrence . . . Tom Apostle
Tracy Pollan . . . Michael J. Fox
Kelly Ripa . . . Mark Consuelos
Julia Roberts . . . Danny Moder
Rebecca Romijn . . . Jerry O'Connell
Claudia Schiffer . . . Matthew Vaughn
Afton Smith . . . Brendon Fraser
Uma Thurman . . . Ethan Hawke
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2 Years

Monica Bellucci . . . Vincent Cassel
Traci Bingham . . . Robb Vallier
Lillian Bounds . . . Walt Disney
Madonna . . . Sean Penn
Meg Ryan . . . Craig Bierko
Coretta Scott . . . Martin Luther King Jr.
Taylor Swift . . . Taylor Lautner
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3 Years

Paula Abdul . . . Brad Beckerman
June Carter . . . Johnny Cash
Melanie Griffith . . . Antonio Banderes
Heather Locklear . . . David Spade
Jennifer Lopez . . . Ben Affleck
Bette Midler . . . Martin von Haselberg
Alania Morissette . . . Ryan Reynolds
Anne Prince . . . Wil Wheaton
Josefa Salinas . . . Coolio
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4 Years

Pamela Anderson . . . Kid Rock
Kim Basinger . . . Alec Baldwin
Bo Derek . . . John Corbett
Jill Goodacre . . . Harry Connick Jr.
Catherine Keener . . . Dermot Mulroney
Anne Heche . . . Coley Lafoon
Rene Russo . . . Dan Gilroy
Angela Zachary . . . Marlon Wayons
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5 Years

Princess Anne . . . Timothy Laurence
Vivica A. Fox . . . Christopher Harvest
Goldie Hawn . . . Kurt Russell
Ashley Judd . . . Dario Franchitti
Eve Mavrakis . . . Ewan McGregor
Gwyneth Paltrow . . . Chris Martin
J.K. Rowling . . . Neil Murray
Brooke Shields . . . Andre Agassi
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6 Years

Lucille Ball . . . Desi Arnez
Drew Barrymore . . . Fabrizio Moretti
Jamie Gandy . . . Frankie Muniz
Lisa Hartman . . . Clint Black
Chelsea Noble . . . Kirk Cameron
Katey Sagal . . . Kurt Sutter
Vanessa L. Williams . . . Rick Fox
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7 Years

Kylie Minogue . . . James Gooding
Sadie Frost . . . Jude Law
Audrey Hepburn . . . Robert Wolders
Sigourney Weaver . . . Jim Simpson
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8 Years

Courteney Cox . . . David Arquette
Anne Hathaway . . . William Shakespeare
Joanna Lumley . . . Stephen Barlow
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9 Years

Halle Berry . . . Gabriel Aubry
Sheryl Crow . . . Lance Armstrong
Julianne Moore . . . Bart Freundl
Jaclyn Smith . . . Bradley Allen
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10 Years

Candace Bushnell . . . Charles Askegard
Katherine Helmond . . . David Christian
Madonna . . . Guy Ritchie
Liza Minnelli . . . David Allen Gest
Lorrie Morgan . . . Jon Randall
Priscilla Presley . . . Marco Garibaldi
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11 Years

Greer Garson . . . Richard Ney
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12 Years

Mariah Carey . . . Nick Cannon
Daryl Hannah . . . David Blaine
Susan Sarandon . . . Tim Robbins
Dorothy Squires . . . Roger Moore
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13 Years

Lucille Ball . . . Gary Morton
Deborra-Lee Furness . . . Hugh Jackman
Pam Grier . . . Kevin Evans
Kathy Najimy . . . Dan Finnerly
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14 Years

Rosanne Barr . . . Ben Thomas
Chrissie Hynde . . . Lucho Brieva
Bernadette Peters . . . Michael Wittenberg
Mira Sorvino . . . Chris Backus
Raquel Welch . . . Richard Palmer
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15 Years

Demi Moore . . . Ashton Kutcher
Brigitte Nielsen . . . Mattia Dessi
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16 Years

Fran Drescher . . . John (boyfriend)
Ruth Gordon . . . Garson Kanin
Tina Turner . . . Erwin Bach
Heidi Van Pelt . . . Taran Noah Smith
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17 Years

Katie Couric . . . Brooks Perlin
Isadora Duncan . . . Sergei Esenin
Vanna White . . . Colby Donaldson
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18 Years

Francesca Annis . . . Ralph Fiennes
Juliet Mills . . . Maxwell Caulfield
Mary Tylor Moore . . . S. Robert Levine
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19 Years

Janice Dickinson . . . Tommy Fry
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20 Years

Lorraine Bracco . . . Jason Cipolla
Edith Piaf . . . Theo Sarapo
Helena Rubenstein . . . Prince Artchil Gourielli-Tchkonia
Norma Shearer . . . Martin Arrounge
Dinah Shore . . . Burt Reynolds
Elizabeth Taylor . . . Larry Fortensky
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21 Years

Barbara Hershey . . . Naveen Andrews
Lillian Vernon . . . Paolo Martino
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23 Years

Carol Burnett . . . Brian Miller
Terry McMillan . . . Jonathon Plummer
Ivana Trump . . . Rossano Rubicon
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24 Years

Sam-Taylor Wood . . . Aaron Johnson (She: 42, film director. He: 18, actor. Year met: 2008, during an audition.)
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25 Years

Joan Collins . . . Robin Hurlstone
Merle Oberon . . . Robert Wolders
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32 Years

Joan Collins . . . Percy Gibson
Norma Ferriera . . . Chris Harvey  (British couple. She: 50: He: 18 when met. news story)
Martha Raye . . . Mark Harris
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34 Years

Gina Lollobrigida . . . Javier Rigau y Rafols
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39 Years

Edna Townsend . . . Simon Martin  (British couple in 2005. She: 70: He: 31. news story)
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71 Years

Wook Kunder . . . Muhamad Noor Che Musa  (Malaysian couple in 2006; She: 104. He: 33)




I am  not sure about the  date of births , I just shared felt like sharing .
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[RishiRahul]

Dear Rishi,

Why dont u take any one of  the above two cases and think one is given by me now ? Seeing the dates U can know lady is  elder to man in those charts. Thanks for  analyzing  I leave it  to your choice now.Others can take  other chart  or lead from U and further discussions are also possible I believe . After all we are here to learn more. Is int?


Regards,

Hi Prasanna,

Thanks for posting and responding!

Any comments on the analysis of the details which you put forward? Our analysis was based on the details put forward by you, too.

Please do take the initiative/some lead in discussing.

RishiRahul

[prasanna]

Dear Rishi,

Why dont u take any one of  the above two cases and think one is given by me now ? Seeing the dates U can know lady is  elder to man in those charts. Thanks for  analyzing  I leave it  to your choice now.Others can take  other chart  or lead from U and further discussions are also possible I believe . After all we are here to learn more. Is int?


Regards,

Hi Prasanna,

Thanks for posting and responding!

Any comments on the analysis of the details which you put forward? Our analysis was based on the details put forward by you, too.

Please do take the initiative/some lead in discussing.

RishiRahul

Prasanna,

I had mentioned that Arudha's may not apply in small age differences as this is my belief. This analysis is in a raw state still.
My belief can always be wrong and I am no gospel.

Arudhas are very complex/advanced to understand and apply properly, and just because it has works in 1 or 2 cases does not confirm something.

Also I seem to be the only one taking part in analysis, for which I feel a bit neglected.

RishiRashul

Dear Rishi,


I thank you for your  all the above posts  to me now.   Being a very senior astrologer ,   I Would love to see your analysis in all the above cases,and let me understand your way of analysis


I will  be eagerly looking forward to see your experienced analysis on the all the above  Celebrities Datas.  I hope you will love  the data provided are good for research on UL and depositor of the house in  determining the age differences (  Many are with vast age differences though not all )


I look forward to you as a path finder in the research of Arudha lagna.  If the dispositors of the 7th house to UL be determining factor, then all those who have UL in Aries, to Leo should have elder wife or spouse. Correct me if  I am wrong.




Thanks and regards,

[Raman Deep Singh]

Hi Prasanna ji,
Nice post by you thank you for it..
But as always mentioned by rishirahul ji and i also believe that celebrity data is not trustworthy to do proper research, it would be better if we go by data of some known people and share if possible about their details.Correct and known data would help in testing and reach on Correct conclusion.

Dispositor of lord of 7th from UL rule is one of my perception wich is still in very priliminary state(so this may or may not be an answer thus we have to keep our eyes and minds open to look for an answer )and i am still trying to get more clarity on it ..
I would like if you also get in and put your understanding and logic, if you differ or would like to take this forward.

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If the dispositors of the 7th house to UL be determining factor, then all those who have UL in Aries, to Leo should have elder wife or spouse

Can you giv bit more clarity about your this assumption of urs . how you derived it..
I could not understand how you related this to UL 's  7th lord Dispositor thing..
Kindly be bit more elaborate.

Regards,
Raman Deep Singh


[quote="prasanna]
Dear Rishi,


I thank you for your  all the above posts  to me now.   Being a very senior astrologer ,   I Would love to see your analysis in all the above cases,and let me understand your way of analysis


I will  be eagerly looking forward to see your experienced analysis on the all the above  Celebrities Datas.  I hope you will love  the data provided are good for research on UL and depositor of the house in  determining the age differences (  Many are with vast age differences though not all )


I look forward to you as a path finder in the research of Arudha lagna.  If the dispositors of the 7th house to UL be determining factor, then all those who have UL in Aries, to Leo should have elder wife or spouse. Correct me if  I am wrong.




Thanks and regards,[/quote]

[RishiRahul]

Dear Rishi,


I thank you for your  all the above posts  to me now.   Being a very senior astrologer ,   I Would love to see your analysis in all the above cases,and let me understand your way of analysis
RishiRahul= This is not a thread only for senior astrologers, but for all to participate. Raman is only about 30, and you are more senior than him.


I will  be eagerly looking forward to see your experienced analysis on the all the above  Celebrities Datas.  I hope you will love  the data provided are good for research on UL and depositor of the house in  determining the age differences (  Many are with vast age differences though not all )
RishiRahul=As I had earlier mentioned, let us move one by one (one data after another); we have used the data forwarded by you.
I dont do such researches with celebrity datas.  If you desire you can take up this part, but as navamsa is important it wouldnt be wise.
Choice is yours, and we look forward to your analysis.


I look forward to you as a path finder in the research of Arudha lagna.  If the dispositors of the 7th house to UL be determining factor, then all those who have UL in Aries, to Leo should have elder wife or spouse. Correct me if  I am wrong.
RishiRahul=You have got the whole understanding  wrong.




Thanks and regards,

RishiRahul

[prasanna]

Dear Rishi,


I thank you for your  all the above posts  to me now.   Being a very senior astrologer ,   I Would love to see your analysis in all the above cases,and let me understand your way of analysis
RishiRahul= This is not a thread only for senior astrologers, but for all to participate. Raman is only about 30, and you are more senior than him.


I will  be eagerly looking forward to see your experienced analysis on the all the above  Celebrities Datas.  I hope you will love  the data provided are good for research on UL and depositor of the house in  determining the age differences (  Many are with vast age differences though not all )
RishiRahul=As I had earlier mentioned, let us move one by one (one data after another); we have used the data forwarded by you.
I dont do such researches with celebrity datas.  If you desire you can take up this part, but as navamsa is important it wouldnt be wise.
Choice is yours, and we look forward to your analysis.


I look forward to you as a path finder in the research of Arudha lagna.  If the dispositors of the 7th house to UL be determining factor, then all those who have UL in Aries, to Leo should have elder wife or spouse. Correct me if  I am wrong.
RishiRahul=You have got the whole understanding  wrong.




Thanks and regards,

RishiRahul

Dear Rishi  ji ,

U understood  me now wrong I can say . Seniority I referred not basing on  age. I meant the year  of experience in astrology dealings . I am aware  I am  senior in age to Raman.and he is   four years only  elder to my son  in age.  


Can U  please elaborate what went wrong in my  whole understanding ?

U only said let us research  in this thread. I gave  the celebrates datas which are easily available . U said Arudha holds good in vast differential age , so i collected  datas and re produced them here. .It is upto the participants to take it for analysis or not .  


Regards,

[prasanna]

According to Sarvartha chintamani, presence of Saturn in 4th 5th, 7th and 12th house can give rise to relationship with elder person, added to that ,
The aspect of other planets and other factors like vargottama, gopuramsa, or placement of saturn in other divisional chart also need to be considered before coming into a conclusion  it is universally said by many proponents and it is firmly established or so to say they have categorically said in several books that it is only Saturn in such position give rise to relationship with elder person

So in my  view the dispositor of 7th house to UL alone is not a criteria for getting a elder wife. So Arudha has no any special role here to play with in determining age  of elder  or younger spouse. So I am not  going to take part any more in this thread. and waste my energy in arguing unnecessarily too .  Thanks to all who ever is reading my views .Iam not compelling or forcing any one to accept  my views too .

[gaonkarswapnil]

"So Arudha has no any special role here to play with in determining age  of elder  or younger spouse. "


Namashkaar Aunty

This statement is not true as per my understanding as arudha is maya and time (Age) too is simple maya

Lord of 7th from UL has lot to say as per my understanding because it is native himself as UL is spouse and 7th from UL is native himself

Also to add 7th from shukra too need to be checked in detail

Both 7th lord from UL and shukra to be checked in Navamsa also D9 which will show magnified view of marriage in that 7th lord and 7th from it , lagna etc to be added.

Also would like to hear from you application of chintamani statement on eg charts mentioned in this thread

Regards

Swapnil

[rajat19731]

"So Arudha has no any special role here to play with in determining age  of elder  or younger spouse. "


Namashkaar Aunty

This statement is not true as per my understanding as arudha is maya and time (Age) too is simple maya

Lord of 7th from UL has lot to say as per my understanding because it is native himself as UL is spouse and 7th from UL is native himself

Also to add 7th from shukra too need to be checked in detail

Both 7th lord from UL and shukra to be checked in Navamsa also D9 which will show magnified view of marriage in that 7th lord and 7th from it , lagna etc to be added.

Also would like to hear from you application of chintamani statement on eg charts mentioned in this thread

Regards

Swapnil

Dear Swapnil,
Where you read this that 7th from UL is native himself? If 7th from UL is native himself, then what is AL? My Guru Sanjay ji and Visti ji taught me that 7th and 12th from UL are the person who oppose the marriage. Say 7th from UL is Moon and 12th from UL is Venus, then mother-in-law and sister-in-law will be opposing the marriage and will try to break the marriage. If these planets are strong, then they will break the marriage too. Thats why it is always checked that whether 2nd is strong than 12th or not? Even if 2nd from UL is having aspect of Jupiter but 12th being strong than 2nd, the marriage will be broken.
Please don't use wrong knowledge of Jaimini Sutras unless you are taught this through some specific Guru in SJC.
Regards

[prasanna]

If UL  is Spouse, what  Darapada  and 7 th house from Darapada  represents ?  

[rajat19731]

If UL  is Spouse, what  Darapada  and 7 th house from Darapada  represents ?  

Dear Prasanna ji,
Namaskar,
Darapada shows the manifestation of the spouse/ relationships. Non serious relationship, sexual connections outside the marriage, relationships less than a year long are seen from A7. Its the Arudha of 7th house. A7 shows the sex drive and planets and signs involved show possibility of contacts. 7th from A7 shows the person going to be in sexual contact. It can be spouse and it can't be a spouse. To see, whether he/she will be a spouse or not, there should be some connection with UL, UL lord or 7th house or 7th lord. If A7 is in a dusthana (3.6.8.12) from AL, sex drive will be there but it will be largely curtailed and difficult to manifest. If UL gets connected with A7, then only the love partner will become spouse. Also If A7 is in kendra to AL but UL is in dusthana to AL, then extra marital relations will develop due to enmity/rejection of spouse.
There is so much about UL, A7 and AL but i can't write everything here as its the part of the Jaimini course run by my Guru.
Regards

[gaonkarswapnil]

"So Arudha has no any special role here to play with in determining age  of elder  or younger spouse. "


Namashkaar Aunty

This statement is not true as per my understanding as arudha is maya and time (Age) too is simple maya

Lord of 7th from UL has lot to say as per my understanding because it is native himself as UL is spouse and 7th from UL is native himself

Also to add 7th from shukra too need to be checked in detail

Both 7th lord from UL and shukra to be checked in Navamsa also D9 which will show magnified view of marriage in that 7th lord and 7th from it , lagna etc to be added.

Also would like to hear from you application of chintamani statement on eg charts mentioned in this thread

Regards

Swapnil

Dear Swapnil,
Where you read this that 7th from UL is native himself? If 7th from UL is native himself, then what is AL? My Guru Sanjay ji and Visti ji taught me that 7th and 12th from UL are the person who oppose the marriage. Say 7th from UL is Moon and 12th from UL is Venus, then mother-in-law and sister-in-law will be opposing the marriage and will try to break the marriage. If these planets are strong, then they will break the marriage too. Thats why it is always checked that whether 2nd is strong than 12th or not? Even if 2nd from UL is having aspect of Jupiter but 12th being strong than 2nd, the marriage will be broken.
Please don't use wrong knowledge of Jaimini Sutras unless you are taught this through some specific Guru in SJC.
Regards

Namaskaar Rajat ji,

My mistake in applying the concept but if i am not wrong than planets placed in 7th from UL do oppose but the lord of 7th from UL has role.

Regards

Swapnil

[RishiRahul]

Namashkaar Rajat ji,

My mistake in applying the concept but if i am not wrong than planets placed in 7th from UL do oppose but the lord of 7th from UL has role.

Regards

Swapnil

Hi GaonkarSwapnil,

UL stands primarily for the spouses backgrouNd and then the other things come in... whatever!

Simple basics say that a planet aspecting the UL from the seventh ( hard aspect), influences the UL.

This theory brought up by Raman... IS ON TESTWATERS only.
The data study has other factotrs too.

I have observed through experioence that book study do not hold verbatim in practicalness.
So we are just giving a try......the application/result may seem right or wrong...... That judgement is for later.

The intention is to check with data of 10 to 12 known persons....summarise them.......... and then have a discussion on those based on technicals.

Why do we not proceed one by one?   Proper research needs organised method.

RishiRahul

RishiRahul

[prasanna]

Namashkaar Rajat ji,

My mistake in applying the concept but if i am not wrong than planets placed in 7th from UL do oppose but the lord of 7th from UL has role.

Regards

Swapnil

Hi GaonkarSwapnil,

UL stands primarily for the spouses backgrouNd and then the other things come in... whatever!

Simple basics say that a planet aspecting the UL from the seventh ( hard aspect), influences the UL.

This theory brought up by Raman... IS ON TESTWATERS only.
The data study has other factotrs too.

I have observed through experioence that book study do not hold verbatim in practicalness.
So we are just giving a try......the application/result may seem right or wrong...... That judgement is for later.

The intention is to check with data of 10 to 12 known persons....summarise them.......... and then have a discussion on those based on technicals.

Why do we not proceed one by one?   Proper research needs organised method.

RishiRahul

RishiRahul

Simple basics say that a planet aspecting the UL from the seventh ( hard aspect), influences the UL.

Its something very hilarious. Rishi ji is  applying Prarasara principle of aspect to Jaimini

In Jaimini the aspects are different.  Jaimini talks of argala
Here I see  mixing up Jaimini n parasara,  that means in  influences.
Jaimini basic principle is that " The signs in the zodiac aspect those facing it while the sings just opposite  cannot be aspected,  that Aries is aspected by Scorpio and scorpio by Aries"
In jaimini Libra can never aspect Aries  or Aries can never aspect
Libra and planets too have the same aspect in Jaimini,  then how can 7th house aspect UL. So  ,  it cant
and planets and sign in the fourth, second and eleventh from a sign or planets intervene in its affairs or cause Argala,  that is the basic principle


One must first  know the difference of aspects in  both Sutras. thoroughly  before quoting an example.  

Just underestimating BV Raman  ji is in- correct here in this context. To my understanding we cant over rule the principles of BV Raman ever. , though we can try  our best  in researches..We need practicality , at the same time we cant change the basic principles taught by our seers as well  .especially of B.V.  RAMAN Ji.    

[Raman Deep Singh]

If UL  is Spouse, what  Darapada  and 7 th house from Darapada  represents ?  

Dear Prasanna ji,
I hope you would follow wat you have said in your below reply..Kindly do maintain it and do not break it like before....
Though you just broke it in 2 hours by posting ur another reply in same thread(above) but i hope you gonna maintain this in future ..  :)

One more thing

If UL  is Spouse, what  Darapada  and 7 th house from Darapada  represents ?  

You denied something you are not aware off  :).. But can expect that from you .
Just to bring to your notice BV Raman ji once in open seminar said before denying something u shud have proper knowledge and understanding about it

Also if you realise Jaimini sutras cannot be totally since sage was disciple of sage Parasara himself,
Also he always said he z gonna continue from where parasar left .. so he z not gonna repeat what is already said by Sage Parsara.As he believed in basics understanding of us as a human

Kindly , let this topic go ahead in peace and put some value if possible.


Regards,
Raman deep Singh

So in my  view the dispositor of 7th house to UL alone is not a criteria for getting a elder wife. So Arudha has no any special role here to play with in determining age  of elder  or younger spouse. So I am not  going to take part any more in this thread. and waste my energy in arguing unnecessarily too .  Thanks to all who ever is reading my views .Iam not compelling or forcing any one to accept  my views too .