Vedic Bhava chalit

[mysbcrs]

18th August 1972
3:55 pm
Moga ,Punjab

Rishi Ji, If u look at the chart, Sun and Mars in 9th Rasi chart , it is a raja Yoga ....But in Bhava chart 9th lord Sun moves to 8th house , there it gets invovled with malefics ketu and Mercury ........And also gets aspect from rahu , who is in 2nd house.......So sun  is totally trapped. I asked the native about having difficulty his father. He replied that his father died before his birth......So bhava chart helps to discover the truth behind the Rasi chart...............> chart details given by vijayan for bhava research


Hello vijayan,

A very big problem of astro seekers are to jump to conclusions based on rajayoga...... and/or 'one factor' analysis.
Does Rajayoga mean that the father will not be affected?

Have you considered 'karako bhavanashya' caused in the 9th. due to Sun?

Of course, we are only sticking to the Sun & 9th now...your point of reference.

Please answer this first? You could consider 'pitrikarak' also in the analysis.

RishiRahul

Dear All,

Few more thoughts...
...In this rather interesting thread where many important perspectives are getting shared, as well as introduction of additional factors or perspectives or nuances if one wants to call those, one thing we must remain mindful of. Here no one is challenging anyone else but merely displaying how different folks focus on different and additional factors. In addition to the KBN introduced by Rishi Rahul, namely, by virtue of sun's presence in the ninth, in the whole sign chart, despite the raja-yoga formed by two trikona lords placed in a trikona (sun + mars) once cannot ignore the fact that mars also signifies loss (12), so one may say that KBN plus association with L12 (mars) would signify yet another negative influence (loss of father). There is a third PLUS (in a negative sense!) that is affecting the 9th house. Gulika is placed in the 9th house! Now we have three robins pointing to some problem with the 'father' aspect in the chart. Venus is chara pitrikaraka and placed in the kendra (7th) house and so is not telling much towards the loss of father. Unfortunately, although for simplicity we can remain within our simplistic kshetra only and no other varga premise, but let us be curious and see what is going on in the D12, the varga dealing with parents. Since the nativity is posthumous (born after father's death) in experiential terms, he never really knew father as a living person. But Parashara also included the 10th as a house dealing with father, in other words mother's husband (7th from 4th). The chara pitrikaraka as it is called is venus and is placed in the 10th house in D12. Here it seems that the chara karaka is displaying KBN! But, this would remain just an explanation or an 'interesting' possibility unless the pattern shows up in other posthumous charts as well, hence academic significance, at this time. Additional negativities will be saturn in rashi aspect with sun which is lord of 9th in D1 and natural karaka for father, which we have seen having negative influences in the natal chart. Although others bravely apply aspects (graha drishti, the usual one we all use, namely 3,7,10 of saturn etc) in finer vargas, I am a bit cautious about those degree-distance based aspects in finer vargas; rashi aspects are more comfortable to apply since they are based on elemental and intrinsic properties of rashis (chara, sthira, dwiswabhava). From the tenth house perspective (mother's husband), we also note the presence of malefic influences in the marak-house (11th). Jupiter will have to be taken as negative vis-a-vis the house under consideration in D12. Other negative influences too exist in that varga, but I may be already taxing the patience of some of the readers, and so am presenting this (d12) as *fine-print* and 'secondary' (we have already defined that term quite profusely, between the two RRs recently

To return to our (original) sheep, as the French people say, so far we have not even touched the chalits!

Equal House: No major difference from Whole sign house, except that saturn moves from 6th to the 7th and joins, venus, the pitrikaraka (aha!). Both being mutually in atimitra dignity, that would not be all too terrible, particularly with jupiter's aspect on the 7th bhava. There is another thing that I shall return to momentarily.

Sripati House: Sun moves to 8th house and joins ketu and mercury. Definitely not a positive move but given the above (Whole sign) factors, the formar would seem more indicative of the absence of father. I do not believe we should really take the 'drishtis aspects' of rahu and ketu which are mathematical points, other than conjunctions and rashi drishtis (more like connecting bridges than drishtis as in glance-visual!). But many do and BPHS also mentions those, so I won't spend time arguing that with those who have satisfied themselves that that is how things go based on their experience. The same reason, why I do not argue with other ayanamsha followers.

I am afraid, dear friends, that in this case too, the whole sign house is telling me a lot more about the topic under scrutiny! And directly!!

So, with due respects, does that mean that chalit which arguably is more mathematically-precise than whole sign, not useful? Is it a modulating influence or corroborative consideration so that if something shows up in the whole sign and the traditional chalit (equal and unequal) then it makes the deal stronger?? There is a third utility too! In mathematical jyotish, the griha drishtis are described as degree-intervals with which drishtibala is calculated as part of shadbala. So for convenience, while many take the entire sign, when calculated mathematically, a planet is 1st degree of a sign would not be casting the same intensity of drishti on a planet at 29th degree of the opposite sign, as it would if both planets were at the same degree (or close) in the opposite sign! And the same would be true for special drishtis. The chalit charts provide a 'visual' means of gauging that, through their shifts! So when saturn moves into the 7th house in the equal house division, one may say that it is casting a stronger or fuller aspect on sun and mars, as opposed to ke and even mercury. And a quick look at sripati as cross-check would tell us that since sun moves to the 8th house (but not mars), its aspect is stronger on sun than on mars (based on the nominal 3/11 interval). I hope readers are fairly familiar with charts to see the points I am trying to explain and describe with my tiny expressive abilities.

I also hope that readers are not lulling themselves into believing that all this is too complex because this is all very superficial exploration and the matrix of jyotish can be far more complex than this and I wish I could say otherwise, but this and way more would need to be done if we are serious about jyotish in a methodical and consistent manner.

Thanks for your attention!

Rohiniranjan

RR ji,

Thanks for the lucid analysis. As far as this chart is concerned, i agree that chalit charts do not seem to add much significance. I would like to add a few pointers avalable from Kshetra:

1. Ma, apart from being L12 is alo badhakesh for 9th and being lord of 12th from Sa (karaka for loss) doubles up as a loss agent
2. From Mo, 9th is even more afflicted (nodal axis plus Me in enemy' sign and lord Mo in debilitation sign, 3rd aspect of Sa)

My own experience on KBN does not seem to give consistent results. In my own chart Su is in 9th with Gulika aspected by 9th lord Sa - far worse when compared to chart in question. Quite contrary to "first-take" by a quite a few astrolger friends, my relationship with my father was very smooth and my father lived till he was 80.

myscbrs ji,

I always take the rasi chart as the main important. It is.
Since the present thread was about the bhava chart, as it gives additional flavours, there was discussions.

Sun in the 9th. leads to KBN. A benefic aspect giving budhaditya yoga highlights the house of father beneficially.
I have mentioned in mb sometime this month that an expect of a benefic can dilute it.
In your case the benefic is mercury (lagna & 4th. lord).
CRS- Yes, you are right.

In any case I found this principle of KBN  very powerful.

Another type of KBN  is when the natural pitrikarak become chara pitrikarak.
The fathers influence becomes strong & permeating. Do you have this too?
CRS - Yes true.
Again budhaditya in the 9th is good for father indication.

Maybe the native would have liked to get more of the father, at least at later ages.

A strong principle gives consistent results only when you take the conjunctions etc into consideration.

RishiRahul

Rishi ji,

Thanks for sharing some insights on KBN. In a couple of charts the observed results did not confirm KBN and in others although there were some indications, I could not match the timing of the related events with Vimsottari Dasa using KBN (i.e., linking the specific karaka to the dasa lords). Well, of-course, I dont wnt to derail this thread into a full fledged KBN discussion.
Please also see my embedded responses above.

[Rohiniranjan]

<snip>

...
Rishi ji,

Thanks for sharing some insights on KBN. In a couple of charts the observed results did not confirm KBN and in others although there were some indications, I could not match the timing of the related events with Vimsottari Dasa using KBN (i.e., linking the specific karaka to the dasa lords). Well, of-course, I dont wnt to derail this thread into a full fledged KBN discussion.
Please also see my embedded responses above.

I suggest that we carpe diem and if you could start a new thread on KBN, that would be an auspicious beginning for learning by us all, CRS ji. In that you could post the charts with more specific description of the mis-matches and we could all put our heads together and see what or why the principle got modified or perhaps failed.

Thanks in advance for your effort.

Happy New Year,

Rohiniranjan

P.S. On an aside, I read somewhere a message by our good friend Vinay Jha on a forum where he was criticising the practice of some astrologers (presumably in India) who use 1st of January as beginning point for mundane/national forecasts. Shri Jha has rightly pointed out that the calendar years (non-leap and leap years) are of no astrological significance since they are not in any relationship with NATURAL cycles (cosmological cycles) such as solar or lunar which are used by astrologers, traditionally for such forecasts. Valid point, indeed!

[RishiRahul]

<snip>

...
Rishi ji,

Thanks for sharing some insights on KBN. In a couple of charts the observed results did not confirm KBN and in others although there were some indications, I could not match the timing of the related events with Vimsottari Dasa using KBN (i.e., linking the specific karaka to the dasa lords). Well, of-course, I dont wnt to derail this thread into a full fledged KBN discussion.
Please also see my embedded responses above.

I suggest that we carpe diem and if you could start a new thread on KBN, that would be an auspicious beginning for learning by us all, CRS ji. In that you could post the charts with more specific description of the mis-matches and we could all put our heads together and see what or why the principle got modified or perhaps failed.

Thanks in advance for your effort.

Happy New Year,

Rohiniranjan

P.S. On an aside, I read somewhere a message by our good friend Vinay Jha on a forum where he was criticising the practice of some astrologers (presumably in India) who use 1st of January as beginning point for mundane/national forecasts. Shri Jha has rightly pointed out that the calendar years (non-leap and leap years) are of no astrological significance since they are not in any relationship with NATURAL cycles (cosmological cycles) such as solar or lunar which are used by astrologers, traditionally for such forecasts. Valid point, indeed!

18th August 1972
3:55 pm
Moga ,Punjab

Rishi Ji, If u look at the chart, Sun and Mars in 9th Rasi chart , it is a raja Yoga ....But in Bhava chart 9th lord Sun moves to 8th house , there it gets invovled with malefics ketu and Mercury ........And also gets aspect from rahu , who is in 2nd house.......So sun  is totally trapped. I asked the native about having difficulty his father. He replied that his father died before his birth......So bhava chart helps to discover the truth behind the Rasi chart...............> chart details given by vijayan for bhava research


Hello vijayan,

A very big problem of astro seekers are to jump to conclusions based on rajayoga...... and/or 'one factor' analysis.
Does Rajayoga mean that the father will not be affected?

Have you considered 'karako bhavanashya' caused in the 9th. due to Sun?

Of course, we are only sticking to the Sun & 9th now...your point of reference.

Please answer this first? You could consider 'pitrikarak' also in the analysis.

RishiRahul

Dear All,

Few more thoughts...
...In this rather interesting thread where many important perspectives are getting shared, as well as introduction of additional factors or perspectives or nuances if one wants to call those, one thing we must remain mindful of. Here no one is challenging anyone else but merely displaying how different folks focus on different and additional factors. In addition to the KBN introduced by Rishi Rahul, namely, by virtue of sun's presence in the ninth, in the whole sign chart, despite the raja-yoga formed by two trikona lords placed in a trikona (sun + mars) once cannot ignore the fact that mars also signifies loss (12), so one may say that KBN plus association with L12 (mars) would signify yet another negative influence (loss of father). There is a third PLUS (in a negative sense!) that is affecting the 9th house. Gulika is placed in the 9th house! Now we have three robins pointing to some problem with the 'father' aspect in the chart. Venus is chara pitrikaraka and placed in the kendra (7th) house and so is not telling much towards the loss of father. Unfortunately, although for simplicity we can remain within our simplistic kshetra only and no other varga premise, but let us be curious and see what is going on in the D12, the varga dealing with parents. Since the nativity is posthumous (born after father's death) in experiential terms, he never really knew father as a living person. But Parashara also included the 10th as a house dealing with father, in other words mother's husband (7th from 4th). The chara pitrikaraka as it is called is venus and is placed in the 10th house in D12. Here it seems that the chara karaka is displaying KBN! But, this would remain just an explanation or an 'interesting' possibility unless the pattern shows up in other posthumous charts as well, hence academic significance, at this time. Additional negativities will be saturn in rashi aspect with sun which is lord of 9th in D1 and natural karaka for father, which we have seen having negative influences in the natal chart. Although others bravely apply aspects (graha drishti, the usual one we all use, namely 3,7,10 of saturn etc) in finer vargas, I am a bit cautious about those degree-distance based aspects in finer vargas; rashi aspects are more comfortable to apply since they are based on elemental and intrinsic properties of rashis (chara, sthira, dwiswabhava). From the tenth house perspective (mother's husband), we also note the presence of malefic influences in the marak-house (11th). Jupiter will have to be taken as negative vis-a-vis the house under consideration in D12. Other negative influences too exist in that varga, but I may be already taxing the patience of some of the readers, and so am presenting this (d12) as *fine-print* and 'secondary' (we have already defined that term quite profusely, between the two RRs recently

To return to our (original) sheep, as the French people say, so far we have not even touched the chalits!

Equal House: No major difference from Whole sign house, except that saturn moves from 6th to the 7th and joins, venus, the pitrikaraka (aha!). Both being mutually in atimitra dignity, that would not be all too terrible, particularly with jupiter's aspect on the 7th bhava. There is another thing that I shall return to momentarily.

Sripati House: Sun moves to 8th house and joins ketu and mercury. Definitely not a positive move but given the above (Whole sign) factors, the formar would seem more indicative of the absence of father. I do not believe we should really take the 'drishtis aspects' of rahu and ketu which are mathematical points, other than conjunctions and rashi drishtis (more like connecting bridges than drishtis as in glance-visual!). But many do and BPHS also mentions those, so I won't spend time arguing that with those who have satisfied themselves that that is how things go based on their experience. The same reason, why I do not argue with other ayanamsha followers.

I am afraid, dear friends, that in this case too, the whole sign house is telling me a lot more about the topic under scrutiny! And directly!!

So, with due respects, does that mean that chalit which arguably is more mathematically-precise than whole sign, not useful? Is it a modulating influence or corroborative consideration so that if something shows up in the whole sign and the traditional chalit (equal and unequal) then it makes the deal stronger?? There is a third utility too! In mathematical jyotish, the griha drishtis are described as degree-intervals with which drishtibala is calculated as part of shadbala. So for convenience, while many take the entire sign, when calculated mathematically, a planet is 1st degree of a sign would not be casting the same intensity of drishti on a planet at 29th degree of the opposite sign, as it would if both planets were at the same degree (or close) in the opposite sign! And the same would be true for special drishtis. The chalit charts provide a 'visual' means of gauging that, through their shifts! So when saturn moves into the 7th house in the equal house division, one may say that it is casting a stronger or fuller aspect on sun and mars, as opposed to ke and even mercury. And a quick look at sripati as cross-check would tell us that since sun moves to the 8th house (but not mars), its aspect is stronger on sun than on mars (based on the nominal 3/11 interval). I hope readers are fairly familiar with charts to see the points I am trying to explain and describe with my tiny expressive abilities.

I also hope that readers are not lulling themselves into believing that all this is too complex because this is all very superficial exploration and the matrix of jyotish can be far more complex than this and I wish I could say otherwise, but this and way more would need to be done if we are serious about jyotish in a methodical and consistent manner.

Thanks for your attention!

Rohiniranjan

RR ji,

Thanks for the lucid analysis. As far as this chart is concerned, i agree that chalit charts do not seem to add much significance. I would like to add a few pointers avalable from Kshetra:

1. Ma, apart from being L12 is alo badhakesh for 9th and being lord of 12th from Sa (karaka for loss) doubles up as a loss agent
2. From Mo, 9th is even more afflicted (nodal axis plus Me in enemy' sign and lord Mo in debilitation sign, 3rd aspect of Sa)

My own experience on KBN does not seem to give consistent results. In my own chart Su is in 9th with Gulika aspected by 9th lord Sa - far worse when compared to chart in question. Quite contrary to "first-take" by a quite a few astrolger friends, my relationship with my father was very smooth and my father lived till he was 80.

myscbrs ji,

I always take the rasi chart as the main important. It is.
Since the present thread was about the bhava chart, as it gives additional flavours, there was discussions.

Sun in the 9th. leads to KBN. A benefic aspect giving budhaditya yoga highlights the house of father beneficially.
I have mentioned in mb sometime this month that an expect of a benefic can dilute it.
In your case the benefic is mercury (lagna & 4th. lord).
CRS- Yes, you are right.

In any case I found this principle of KBN  very powerful.

Another type of KBN  is when the natural pitrikarak become chara pitrikarak.
The fathers influence becomes strong & permeating. Do you have this too?
CRS - Yes true.
Again budhaditya in the 9th is good for father indication.

Maybe the native would have liked to get more of the father, at least at later ages.

A strong principle gives consistent results only when you take the conjunctions etc into consideration.

RishiRahul

Rishi ji,

Thanks for sharing some insights on KBN. In a couple of charts the observed results did not confirm KBN and in others although there were some indications, I could not match the timing of the related events with Vimsottari Dasa using KBN (i.e., linking the specific karaka to the dasa lords). Well, of-course, I dont wnt to derail this thread into a full fledged KBN discussion.
Please also see my embedded responses above.

Dear mysbcrs,

You can always open a new thread in this forum...Nice idea of RR ji & yours. Isn't it?

This thread will not get derailed; while the KBN thread will get 'Railed'..

Some 'one factor' astrology works well, as this does. But only thing is that it works if your sighting is flexible.



RishiRahul

[RishiRahul]

Vijayan,

On second thoughts, just wondering:-

Depends upon the ayanamsa & variables one is following.

I was following (1)lahiri ayanamsa with pacidus & lagna as bhavaarambha.
Using 'lahiri atanamsa' with 'solar years as 360 days', the Sripathi or equal house bhavas do not change.
But moon moves to the 5th. house in (1).

Does moon always stand for daughters? Even if it does, it doesnt confirm anything regarding sex or number of children.
If it does then (1) is supported.
Even if this is in Sripathi (1) is supported.

I wonder if the12th. lord Sun in the 10th. decreaes spirituality?

12th also stands for expenses & foreign settlement. That being in the 10th can incresae both mentioned significations.
9th lord Venus conjunct 12th lord Sun in 10th= Wouldnt this increase job with foreign more? than just Venus in the 10th.

Since he is linked/much attracted to spirituality, Ketu dasa may pull him there more.
While doing data research 'mights' & 'mays' should be avoided, though possibilities are not unimportanl.

The rasi always happen; the bhava says it better. That is: the rasi significations are not denied.

When comparing bhava, one should take the rasi as a 'Constant'.

RishiRahul

Dear Rishi Rahul Ji, Thanks for your thoughts . If you look at Rasi chart , 5th house is aspected by Sun and Saturn. At least Sun's aspect would have got him male child. Saturn's aspect would have got daughters. Rishi Ji, i read somewhere that Feminine planet like Moon and Venus in 5th house gives more chances of daughters than son. Moon represents Mother, feminine side of human. Women are basically delicate and have gentle feelings. They say Suns aspect or Suns placement in 5th house gives higher chances of male children. Other day , i was seeing some chart , i asked the native she must be definitely having male children as Sun is exalted in 5th house , she said she has twins , one male and one female. So it is not 100% confirmation to give prediction . But in my opinion it will at least give some hints as whether they will have sons or daughters . In barack Obama's chart , Moon is in 5th house in Rasi chart, in bhava chart , venus is in 5th house. So either way a feminine planet occupies 5th house, he was blessed with 2 daughters.

In my chart Moon the 7th lord is in lagna along with mars the 4th lord, so chances are high that i will have support of women more than men. It is not a 100% indication but hints can be availed through planetary position.

Rishi Ji, If sun comes to 10th house , then mercury will come to 11th house , indicating that he is not spiritual as well he is not in foreign country , as Mercury in 12th house indicates that he will go abroad.

Rishi ji, in my earnest opinion functional Malefic if posited in good houses will bring weakness. Venus is just a planet but the lordship it owns makes it a strong planet . Like it owns 9th house , so it has become powerful by being in 10th house. Rishi Ji, if he just did under graduation studies , he would have settled in a lesser way . Because his 9th house and its lord are strong , he got maximum opportunity to study Higher education. Along with this he had lagna lord and career lord  in 12th house, so he was very much interested to do job abroad. Rishi ji, he has spiritual interest , due to the lagna lord's placement in 12th house. As we see many seers or sages have planets in 12th house. Lagna lord occupying any houses , becomes the integral part of his nature, as planet absorbs the quality of that house.
But to get clarity needs more experience and more analysis.

Rishi ji, Jhora Author has Lagna lord in 8th house, so he is pretty much interested in occult abilities. My friend has his lagna lord in 8th house, but he is interested in illegal activities and does them. But how to find the difference whether which one of them has interest in Occult studies and which one wants scandals or hidden things. Both are hidden in their own ways but to get specific answer the person has to get good skills to judge the chart.

Thank You

Dear Vijayan,

The rasi chart will always be correct & should not be denied (while doing bhava research.
I hope you have got this by now.

If mercury moves to the 11th house, how does it affect spirituality?

If we correctly use the 9th. for higher education, how does the change in bhava make the higher education less, or more?
It doesnt; I think?

The 9th. lord is aspecting the 4th. from the 10th house; while in bhava, the 12th lord moves to the 10th, justifying, rather adding to foreign education/residence abroad + 2 strong careers  the spouses career) + high post for himself (with government like powers).

RishiRahul

[RishiRahul]

Rishi,

It seems like there are two or more parallel tracks running with this thread
The curious and somewhat flummoxing thing is that even using different parameters, different jyotishis often can and do come to the same bottom line. Waving our hands and calling it intuition would be wrong, since they all are using technical approach (left brain thinking), but assisting it is input from right brain which picks on 'patterns' and steers the eyes and minds to threads in the skein and matrix (like a multi-coloured, multi-layered sweater or mesh-blanket). Hence it is important to stay calm and becoming really familiar with ones bag of tools. Remember, these are analogies and not perfect description of reality of astroanalysis which is way more complex and we perhaps do not even fully understand how it works or is done, even while doing it with good success. I have sometimes likened astrology as learning to drive a car or even a bicycle. At first there are falls, the coordination is lacking, one tends to focus on one factor at a time, but with constant practice it does become fluid and runs smoothly! It does not mean that the rider may never fall or the driver may never make a mistake or the astrologer too for that matter. Since we are talking cars, some of us first learned to drive manual transmission (stick shift) or in other words calculated charts by hand and proportional log tables and later on calculators, before driving automatic transmission (astrology software). So the move was easier, than for those who have go the other way, for instance travelling in other countries where automatic transmission rentals are very few in availability! Or in case of astrology, we are stuck on an island and our laptop battery dies or something making the software inoperable just before we need to do a horary to find out when the hell will be be rescued from our marooned state <LOL>

I too have seen this many times that rashi (WSHS) and chalita (E or UEHS)  are not mutually-exclusive entities! Moon in fifth giving zero daughters and sometimes mars in fifth in virgo moving to fourth giving a first born who has mars in lagna, etc etc.

Sometimes dasa and bhukti lords and their connection etc just do not correlate with a certain event. Some folks panic and begin twiddling with ayanamshas to *make it fit* but had they dug a bit deeper or differently, say taking padas and vargas into account, the reasoning and correlation and connection would have become visible! The school of hard-knocks makes us learn in astrology too, just as life itself!

Lot of people and even senior astrologers forbid their acolytes etc to not mix jaimini with parasara etc. I could never understand or accept that! The sun is sun whether in rashi or varga or jaimini or parasara and house is house and also pada! The sun is lord of fifth but also associated with a pada as its lord and also has three hats in karakattwa!

Sorry for the sermon! Happy New Year All,

Rohiniranjan

Nice Sermon! Dada,

Jaimini & Parashari mixes/blends well like a Jugalbandi, & so does Vedic & K.P.......

The rasi & bhava are more 'direst'/'Physical'/'Earthly' than compared to divisional charts.
What I mean is that many things will be easily/directly seen from rasi's & bhavas.
The easily seen thing= as we look at the water in a pond or lake...we see the water & the colour. Looking at the water a bit longer we see the fishes swimming in it etc. (the fishes etc being the D charts & pada relationship)

So while experimenting/comparing bhavas we have to see what is seen more directly.
If we try to go deeper, good logic may be available to fit.


My sermon &nbsp;:smt020 &nbsp;:smt020

Happy New Year,

Rishi

[Rohiniranjan]

Rishi,

It seems like there are two or more parallel tracks running with this thread
The curious and somewhat flummoxing thing is that even using different parameters, different jyotishis often can and do come to the same bottom line. Waving our hands and calling it intuition would be wrong, since they all are using technical approach (left brain thinking), but assisting it is input from right brain which picks on 'patterns' and steers the eyes and minds to threads in the skein and matrix (like a multi-coloured, multi-layered sweater or mesh-blanket). Hence it is important to stay calm and becoming really familiar with ones bag of tools. Remember, these are analogies and not perfect description of reality of astroanalysis which is way more complex and we perhaps do not even fully understand how it works or is done, even while doing it with good success. I have sometimes likened astrology as learning to drive a car or even a bicycle. At first there are falls, the coordination is lacking, one tends to focus on one factor at a time, but with constant practice it does become fluid and runs smoothly! It does not mean that the rider may never fall or the driver may never make a mistake or the astrologer too for that matter. Since we are talking cars, some of us first learned to drive manual transmission (stick shift) or in other words calculated charts by hand and proportional log tables and later on calculators, before driving automatic transmission (astrology software). So the move was easier, than for those who have go the other way, for instance travelling in other countries where automatic transmission rentals are very few in availability! Or in case of astrology, we are stuck on an island and our laptop battery dies or something making the software inoperable just before we need to do a horary to find out when the hell will be be rescued from our marooned state <LOL>

I too have seen this many times that rashi (WSHS) and chalita (E or UEHS)  are not mutually-exclusive entities! Moon in fifth giving zero daughters and sometimes mars in fifth in virgo moving to fourth giving a first born who has mars in lagna, etc etc.

Sometimes dasa and bhukti lords and their connection etc just do not correlate with a certain event. Some folks panic and begin twiddling with ayanamshas to *make it fit* but had they dug a bit deeper or differently, say taking padas and vargas into account, the reasoning and correlation and connection would have become visible! The school of hard-knocks makes us learn in astrology too, just as life itself!

Lot of people and even senior astrologers forbid their acolytes etc to not mix jaimini with parasara etc. I could never understand or accept that! The sun is sun whether in rashi or varga or jaimini or parasara and house is house and also pada! The sun is lord of fifth but also associated with a pada as its lord and also has three hats in karakattwa!

Sorry for the sermon! Happy New Year All,

Rohiniranjan

Nice Sermon! Dada,

Jaimini & Parashari mixes/blends well like a Jugalbandi, & so does Vedic & K.P.......

The rasi & bhava are more 'direst'/'Physical'/'Earthly' than compared to divisional charts.
What I mean is that many things will be easily/directly seen from rasi's & bhavas.
The easily seen thing= as we look at the water in a pond or lake...we see the water & the colour. Looking at the water a bit longer we see the fishes swimming in it etc. (the fishes etc being the D charts & pada relationship)

So while experimenting/comparing bhavas we have to see what is seen more directly.
If we try to go deeper, good logic may be available to fit.


My sermon  :smt020  :smt020

Happy New Year,

Rishi

Rishi,

To my mind and perception the so called Jaimini vs Parashari is an artificial division. BPHS contains the beginnings or fundamental base of the so called Jaimini Paddhati, yet many folks have a mental resistance to seeing them as perhaps different-coloured flowers on the same tree. Those knowledgeable in scriptural histories tell us that Jaimini was the disciple of Vedavyaasa muni who was Parashara's son as per the allegory or mythology. So Parashara was in a sense the Grand-Guru of Jaimini and the latter developed further, or perhaps elaborated upon facts or technical details that were not included in BPHS by Parashara. Who really knows and who cares (my tail could get chopped for saying that publicly -- thank god I am no cat, other than in navamsha <LOL>. It is interesting though that Parashara used rather direct and more easily understandable language than Jaimini who wrote the Sutras in the codified Katapayaadi, possibly to protect the purity of the information (like checksum errors in programming) but it also resulted in MMMB through several interpretations becoming possible.

The world is not PURRFECT...!

HNY! &nbsp;:smt020

RR

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[Rohiniranjan]

Share a funny picture

Once a very dear one shared this tale of a beautiful pair of pets! An abused pit-bull terrier- a species bred for generation to protect the farmer's sheep and very ferocious and a known killer of small animals and children! Banned in some places. Most PBTs are mandated to be killed if any born in some countries because of their past encounters with human children and also smaller animals!

This PBT (Charlie) was the most lovable and loving little (big) dog who was abused and ended up in Humane society and picked up by a humane couple (who took a picture -- if I can figure out the technology to post here!). The kitten beside him, both peacefully watching Telly (Idiot box!), Jade the JADOOI one was found on a highway, abandoned, when she was six months (estimated!) old and Godess alone knows how many days and nights the poor little soul had to endure and survive and escape becoming road-kill under one of the many 25 tonne transport trucks running on those highways of North America! She had (has!) such a temper and at peace and loving, but has a majestic demeanour and tevars! Mess with her and you shall experience Her claws and teeth!

She used to frap Charlie! Imagine a tiny cat striking at a PIT-BULL TERRIER! Yet when watching Telly, they seemed to forget all fights! I have seen the same effect of TV on modern children! Although they become couch-potatoes and health-care providers get concerned, why does TV have such a soothing effect?

On humans and animals?

Amazing reality!

Love and Light,

Rohiniranjan

[vijiyan]

Dear Vijayan,

The rasi chart will always be correct & should not be denied (while doing bhava research.
I hope you have got this by now.

If mercury moves to the 11th house, how does it affect spirituality?

If we correctly use the 9th. for higher education, how does the change in bhava make the higher education less, or more?
It doesnt; I think?

The 9th. lord is aspecting the 4th. from the 10th house; while in bhava, the 12th lord moves to the 10th, justifying, rather adding to foreign education/residence abroad + 2 strong careers  the spouses career) + high post for himself (with government like powers).

RishiRahul

Rishi Ji , i agree with all your points . But mercury the lagna lord  in 11th house is a kama sthana , where the person always wants his materialistic desires to be fulfilled. In my opinion he cannot think of spirituality unless his lagna lord is posited in 5th , 8th , 12th houses.

[RishiRahul]

Dear Vijayan,

The rasi chart will always be correct & should not be denied (while doing bhava research.
I hope you have got this by now.

If mercury moves to the 11th house, how does it affect spirituality?

If we correctly use the 9th. for higher education, how does the change in bhava make the higher education less, or more?
It doesnt; I think?

The 9th. lord is aspecting the 4th. from the 10th house; while in bhava, the 12th lord moves to the 10th, justifying, rather adding to foreign education/residence abroad + 2 strong careers  the spouses career) + high post for himself (with government like powers).

RishiRahul

Rishi Ji , i agree with all your points . But mercury the lagna lord  in 11th house is a kama sthana , where the person always wants his materialistic desires to be fulfilled. In my opinion he cannot think of spirituality unless his lagna lord is posited in 5th , 8th , 12th houses.

Does it mean that any planet in kamasthana will hinder spiritual growth?
Is Kama absent in his life?

Mercury is in the 12th. rasi. Have you noticed the star it is deposited in?
Are you still neglecting rasi?

RishiRahul

[vijiyan]

Does it mean that any planet in kamasthana will hinder spiritual growth?
Is Kama absent in his life?

Mercury is in the 12th. rasi. Have you noticed the star it is deposited in?
Are you still neglecting rasi?

RishiRahul

Dear Rishi Rahul Ji, I do not know how to interpret from Rasi chart as i depend more on Bhava chart . I cannot get reasonable answers from Rasi chart .Means if rasi and bhava chart are same then i read from Rasi chart .
Rishi ji, i always search for change in planetary position in Bhava chart to get better answers.

. Rishi ji, mercury is in ketus nakshtra and i agree with you that ketu gives spirituality. But here house also matters Rishi Ji, like 12th house is the house where we can attain Moksha.
Moksha can be attained through penance or digging deep into spirituality, where we come to know the essence of the real life, which is free from Materialistic desires. Rishi ji, i may be wrong here. Please pardon my ignorance. Yes, you are right that a person cannot  be totally absolved of desires. But he makes it a effort to become a sanyas or a spiritual person to get better things in life.

Rishi ji, in the next post , i will be posting my friends details and i request you to judge his nature/personality. It will be really interesting for you too as planet shifts the lagna lord position in Bhava chart.

Thank You

[RishiRahul]

Does it mean that any planet in kamasthana will hinder spiritual growth?
Is Kama absent in his life?

Mercury is in the 12th. rasi. Have you noticed the star it is deposited in?
Are you still neglecting rasi?

RishiRahul

Dear Rishi Rahul Ji, I do not know how to interpret from Rasi chart as i depend more on Bhava chart . I cannot get reasonable answers from Rasi chart .Means if rasi and bhava chart are same then i read from Rasi chart .
Rishi ji, i always search for change in planetary position in Bhava chart to get better answers.

. Rishi ji, mercury is in ketus nakshtra and i agree with you that ketu gives spirituality. But here house also matters Rishi Ji, like 12th house is the house where we can attain Moksha.
Moksha can be attained through penance or digging deep into spirituality, where we come to know the essence of the real life, which is free from Materialistic desires. Rishi ji, i may be wrong here. Please pardon my ignorance. Yes, you are right that a person cannot  be totally absolved of desires. But he makes it a effort to become a sanyas or a spiritual person to get better things in life.

Rishi ji, in the next post , i will be posting my friends details and i request you to judge his nature/personality. It will be really interesting for you too as planet shifts the lagna lord position in Bhava chart.

Thank You

Dear Vijayan,

My experience says that one must never neglect the rasi mansions; also that the bhava mansions are important.

If you believe othersise, you have every right to do so, as long as you are not following it 'blindly' in your learning curve
I mean as long as you are following your own research.

RishiRahul

[Rohiniranjan]

...
Rishi Ji , i agree with all your points . But mercury the lagna lord  in 11th house is a kama sthana , where the person always wants his materialistic desires to be fulfilled. In my opinion he cannot think of spirituality unless his lagna lord is posited in 5th , 8th , 12th houses.

Leaving your relative aside, Vijiyan, I was quite intrigued by your emboldened statement!

Out of 9146 A/AA data, with R1 (lagnesh) in 5, 8, 9 or 12 houses (included 9th due to its spiritual relevance, well accepted by mainstream!):
384 criminals but only 262 charts of religious and spiritual folks.

Out of 4166 of charts with R1 in 5, 8, 9 or 12th + benefic fully aspecting R1 in these places:
158 criminals vs 123 Spiritual-religious folks!

Anecdotal statements and beliefs and pronouncements [aka, EXPECTED] must be tested against data [OBSERVED in significantly large samples] lest they GEL into misconceptions and without mincing words: MISINFORMATION!

HNY, the year has just begun! The trend hopefully, continues!

Rohiniranjan

[vijiyan]

Dear Vijayan,

My experience says that one must never neglect the rasi mansions; also that the bhava mansions are important.

If you believe othersise, you have every right to do so, as long as you are not following it 'blindly' in your learning curve
I mean as long as you are following your own research.

RishiRahul

Dear Rishi Rahul Ji, Your advise is always Golden for me. I never took it otherwise. Rishi Ji, you are right about the dictum that i should not blindly follow any rule before testing it. &nbsp;:)

Rishi Ji, Next Post i will be posting my friends Birth details.

[vijiyan]

Leaving your relative aside, Vijiyan, I was quite intrigued by your emboldened statement!

Out of 9146 A/AA data, with R1 (lagnesh) in 5, 8, 9 or 12 houses (included 9th due to its spiritual relevance, well accepted by mainstream!):
384 criminals but only 262 charts of religious and spiritual folks.

Out of 4166 of charts with R1 in 5, 8, 9 or 12th + benefic fully aspecting R1 in these places:
158 criminals vs 123 Spiritual-religious folks!

Anecdotal statements and beliefs and pronouncements [aka, EXPECTED] must be tested against data [OBSERVED in significantly large samples] lest they GEL into misconceptions and without mincing words: MISINFORMATION!

HNY, the year has just begun! The trend hopefully, continues!

Rohiniranjan

RR Ji, Hilarious statement about the criminals. &nbsp;:smt003

Yes, true that must be tested. &nbsp;:)