I think this post should be split to form a new thread as it would be easier to participate and understand too. If you agree, Rohiniranjan ji.Rohiniranjan wrote:Now about the heart (Part II):vivekvshetty wrote:Your observation may be valid especially in todays world as they say in 'matters of the heart' Shukra does show up. The Heart chakra is more Shani if Tatva is considered. But then the Heart is special and has many connotations and different levels too. But Bhaava wise is it the 4th or the 5th?Rohiniranjan wrote: Astrologically, Vivek ji, I have always believed and observed that Heart is where Venus is and Venus is where heart chakra is!
Other qualifiers and conditions if met, the general caveat that prudent jyotishis issue!
I do love cats and they know!
Love and light!
Rohiniranjan
Shukra they say represents the very deep selfish nature of ours. Selfish here means the nature of people to protect themselves (self protection) even at the cost of others. A deeply ingrained thing.
My two cents (what with the rupee sliding).
vivek
Vivek ji,
First a caveat! My conceptualization and learning of jyotish has never strayed away from core jyotish (Parashar and Jaimini and their followers. I have even kept away (actually never felt like approaching) from Tajik, Lal Kitab etc., not because they do not work or I disbelieve if someone claims they do, but something just never clicked in me about those, hence my education is limited. My approach had been of a self-guided learner. It has worked in my favour because I have great difficulty is learning if someone tells me to walk in the groove. Having a guru places certain impositions some of which are moral, sentimental and other lunar-dependent considerations. This must not be taken to mean that I do not respect those gurus or their chelas and chelis or schools, lest someone misunderstand. Being self-guided in that sense (at least in choosing my personal curriculum), I do not impose my views on others but just humbly add my perspectives to what others shares, but perhaps due to my limitations in communication or something, some folks have misinterpreted my statements and from time tried to *discipline* me or worse! I use a different ayanamsha, my interpretations at times veer off and away from the mainstream and therefore I have always avoided accepting the crown of thorns of GURUdom. How can one who never had a guru become a guru of another?
In my observations, I have noticed that astrology (Jyotish essentially but western schools too) is about duality. Nearly everything in it is a dance of a pair. Some exceptions, one particularly, do not break that rule! I do not intend to talk about that. I get the feeling you do not like long posts, and I tend to be a wordy fellow (old people love to talk!) --
One of these dualities is seen in bhava assignments (in addition to the bhavat-bhavam and bhava-pada perspectives). The heart and the father. This has caused much anguish and even confusion and heated discussions that went on a dual track as well! The calmer and wiser discussants ended up respectfully with: "I respect you but we would have to agree to disagree!". Unfortunately there was a heena path too that ended up with vile language, much vitriol and even name-calling that made moderators and discussants and members, normally non-confronational and good folks stopping by for some civillized discussion and occasional harmless banter, when like-minded folks meet by synchronicity and a pleasant, soul-nourishing conversation and even friendship begins.
Heart has two connotations in our minds! One is the organic heart which is but a pump placed securely between the lungs and protected by the rib cage and the muscles around. Heart itself is a muscle with very special properties and an intricate electrical (nerves) network which have been extensively and intensively been explored by medical researchers. It is associated with the fifth house, in my humble perception.
The other heart which is more the object of scrutiny and adoration of metaphorists and philosophers and lovers (!) is associated with the fourth where our emotions, sentiments lie. But really speaking, those are in the domain of mind where our affect (as Raman pointed out) rest and arise and also there, the Rishis hinted the mother should be studied from in our astrology. We all know that the fourth house of Kal-Purush, the Time Incarnate, is cancer and is ruled by mother(moon; mind; matrikaraka etc) and there seems to be a direct connection between the fourth and fifth (just from heart-related considerations and not other attribute which would still make sense but complicate this thought sharing!): When we are agitated, our heart races, when fear strikes and overwhelms our mind, our heart sinks!
I hope my nickel was worth your attention, and worth at least the penny/cent/naya paisaa of old days!
Love and Light,
Rohiniranjan
vivek
