vivekvshetty wrote:Rohiniranjan wrote:Rishi,
The actualized 'I' falls within the domain of astrology, while Beingness-Consciousness is beyond astrology...
Namaskaar Rohiniranjan ji,
I think we should start a new thread because of the interesting direction this discussion is taking.
Rishi ji may also agree.
one point i would like to make. Beingness is beyond Jyotish as it is the Jyoti of the Jyotish. But consciousness is very much a part of Jyotish as it is a reflection of the Beingness.
Scriptures describe three states: Jaagrut, shusupta and swapna.
Beingness is Turiyaa. My understanding.
vivek.
Shetty_ji,
As I look at it, consciousness has two connotations to it. Awareness is one, such as I am conscious of the place, the time, the I (actualized body). This is definitely within the jurisdiction of astrology. However, there is also the CONSCIOUSNESS which exists globally in every being they say, in dhatu, moola, jeeva. While the terms are used in jyotish (in their physical connotation: mineral, flora and fauna), but this CONSCIOUSNESS that I was referring to, I believe is beyond astrology.
The three states of consciousness that you mentioned (jagrit, sushupta, swapna) are essentially levels of awareness. All three, interestingly can be observed objectively, through senses as well as machines, however to the subject, only the first one can be experienced in real time, generally the second one is better observed by others (and machines), and the third one (swapna) can be recalled upon waking up.
However, what about 'lucid dreaming'? The state during which the 'self' becomes aware of being in the dream state. I trust this is a deeper level of awareness that we call, "The witness self". This witness self is normally silent and most people are unaware of. This inner self is aware of all three states of awareness: awake, asleep, dreaming. This self never sleeps (that does not make it Satan!
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This witness self, inner self begins to become more apparent when we observe our breath, start paying attention to the NOW which as we know is always a fleeting moment, as opposed to fluctuating between the moment gone (past) and the moment yet to come (future). These flitting oscillations of the mind (monkey) creates fears, stresses, anxiety, foreboding, guilt etc etc. However the monkey is necessary for staying aware, moment to moment attention which is essential for living in worldly realm. In moments of meditation, the monkey merges with the witness self and a blissful state of meditation is experienced. When the monkey returns to worldly domain, it tends to begin its oscillations again. However over years of meditative practice the monkey becomes quieter and the witness self begins to speak to the monkey self! Intuitions arise. The witness self is connected and in communion with the global self. Jung's collective consciouness,
Words and thoughts can be conveyed normally, as we are doing here, through the monkey self or monkey mind. But it is crude, words never manage to convey entirely the thoughts fully. But we try passionately to improve our capabilities as time goes by. If we care and if we keep trying!
From my monkey to your monkey -- Best regards!
Rohiniranjan
