mysbcrs wrote:Rohiniranjan wrote:mysbcrs wrote:Namasthe,
I got a feeling that the choice of the 2nd house is based on the assumption that the 8th from 7th is to be seen for the longevity of the first marriage.
This sounds too legalistic and unrealistic. A good many of the second marriages used to run concurrently (and still do, although in a far smaller measure. I am talking about maariage and not relationship) with the first.
Of-course if the purpose of the thread is to look at only non-concurrent 2nd/subsequent marriage, it may not make a difference.
The data extracted by RR ji is relevant for the non-concurrent 2nd marriage, since the presence of malefics do not seem to have significantly affected the longevity of the first marriage.
Maybe, I jumped in too soon, earlier and was not liked? :-(
I will wait!
Rohiniranjan
No, not really. I was a bit confused by Certain ji's post on the following data.
"106 happily married (100%)
43 had malefics in 2nd or 8th (40.5%)
39 also had malefic aspects on 2nd or 8th (36.8%) "
If the data relates to first marriage it would mean that the longevity of 40.5% of the marriages are unaffected by presence of strong malefics in 2nd/8th. 40.5 although less than 50 is still significantly large to lend credence to the role of malefics.
If the data on the other hand relates to 2nd marriage, then this would mean 59.6% of people were in their 2nd marriage despite not having any malefics in 2nd/8th.
Dear CRS,
Given all the to and fro exchanges going on let us be clear with our terms! All we can say at this point is either we see a correlation or not. It could be meaningful or perhaps not.
In the happily married group, only 40.5% showed the presence of malefic influence (can't say if the malefics were strong or weak, just by the data). In comparison, the divorced comparison group had this variable at 38%, which is not likely to be significantly different from 40.5%; ergo the association of malefics with 2/8 is not likely to be different. Of the 40.5% a high proportion also had aspect of malefics on 2/8, in other words, 36.8% had malefic occupants or aspecting 2/8. In the divorced group, likewise, 31.6% had malefic occupants or aspecting 2/8.
In both groups, there were malefic influences (astrological) on 2/8 and these were actually higher in happily married individuals and therefore simply using the malefic influences does not provide any reliable astrological marker for predicting good or bad marriage! That is the important point to note.
Since we drifted into talking about marriages and away from siblings (original querry) and since both 2nd and 8th have been identified in tradition as indicative of married life (mangalya and kutumba), the natural belief and instinct to see warning flags if malefics are involved with these 2 houses (regardless of marriage order and sequence) does not seem to be a reliable guiding principle.
Please remember, that this is the first cut and for digging and teasing further, we would have to look at each case in this fairly substantial group of charts.
Even if we look at the happy marriages, if 36.8% had malefic influences on 2nd and 8th, it would mean that 65.2% had either benefics or no influences (no malefic, no benefic influences; empty 2/8 perhaps)! Next thing to look if we were getting good results with the preliminary screen would be to look at the lords, karakas and effects thereupon. The examination then becomes more refined as we proceed to the secondary and tertiary examination of the charts.
Essentially, cautious jyotishis customarily do that as part of the analysis of a chart, so I do not believe they are at too much of risk of going astray, so ALL IZZ WELL. As long as they do not stop at the first examination or a single factor. Beginners hopefully remain watchful for these red herrings that appear to be enticing leads, but may not be so.
The same goes for the saturn in 7th which seems to throw warning flags up although opinions differ. I recall when I was a budding jyotishi, I had been fed this one liner that saturn in 7th gives an early or late marriage or to someone with a great difference in age and a difficult one, either way. In a relative's chart, I confidently stated that the marriage would be a late one to someone much older or younger since, saturn(R) was lord of 5th and 6th (mixed) and likely to be a love marriage and a few other things. About ten or so years after my bold (?) prediction, the individual got married at around 23 yrs age which was timely by the norms then, to a classmate who was barely an year older. We learn from our youthful mistakes
(sorry for injected a bit of reminiscences into this sharing! Must be one of those *senior moments* on my part!! <LOL>
Anyways, let us carry on...
Rohiniranjan
