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Good Lesson, MA...!

Post by Rohiniranjan » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:11 am

MA I made a mistake again a few days ago and learned so much!  :smt004

A simple sharing, from my heart caused so much pain to a few egos!


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Planetary Beacons and Pointers in the Rashi Varga
By Rohiniranjan

These are some pointers that I would like to share with other fellow jyotish friend. The house/sign in which sun is placed, by itself, and associated with the lords or significators (karakas) and the house in which Leo is placed in the nativity's horoscope, hold the key to the areas or indications or things that the nativity is pleased to attend to or accomplish, at a deeper soul level.

A similar algorithm can then be used for the remaining planets:

Moon, the house it is in, the planets it is associated with and the house in which cancer falls: The things, areas and activities that please the mind

Mars: The things and activities which the individual will willingly devote efforts and energy towards

Mercury: Areas of trade {and communication}

Jupiter: {Areas of knowledge, knowing and morals}

Venus: Things without which the person's life becomes bland, insipid and like death.

Saturn: Things and areas which remain 'dead' and absent in the nativity's life or are avoided and suppressed during the current lifetime (in accordance to the life-plan). Kind of like repressed or unexpressed 'genes'

Lunar nodes: Things and areas which remain uncertain or where phobias and obsessions arise.

These then can be treated as planetary beacons or pointers towards areas and issues in a given nativity's human experience.

Over a period of time, I have begun to take more seriously the statement in jyotish that goes: Sanivada Rahu, kujvata ketu (Rahu or north node of moon is similar to Saturn in its nature while Ketu, the south node of moon is of the nature of Mars). This obviously, in my understanding, refers to the rulership of Scorpio by mars/ketu and of aquarius by Saturn/Rahu as elaborated in the conditions prescribed for their utilization as rulers in the Chara Dasha scheme (by Parashara and Jaimini). When the nodes become rulers of the two signs normally ruled by mars and Saturn, special attention must be paid to the nodes in such charts in general and for the considerations given in this article.

The following prescribed rules are to be applied sequentially, until one of them is met:

1. If both are in own sign (e.g., Saturn in Capricorn and rahu in aquarius) then both share rulership.
2. If one is in own sign (e.g., Saturn in Capricorn) then Rahu rules aquarius
3. If one of the contender is in company (in the same sign) of greater number of planets, it becomes the ruler of aquarius or scorpio (rahu or ketu respectively)
4. Not meeting the above requirements, the planet is stronger in the following order: Movable, Fixed, Dual. The planet in dual sign is the strongest contender.
5. If both are in the same triplicity, then utilizing the Jaimini Chara order of counting, the planet that is farther away from the sign under consideration (aquarius or scorpio) becomes the ruler.

The prescribed order of counting is normal (aries, Taurus, Gemini...) for Aries, Taurus, Gemini, libra, scorpio, and Sagittarius, and in reverse order (cancer, Gemini, Taurus...) for the remaining signs. The order alternates in clusters of three signs.

Now to illustrate, let us take a chart well-known to jyotishis, that of the modern Rishi: Dr. Deepak Chopra.

Here sun is placed in its sign of debility in the ninth house and leo is placed in the 7th house. Though a fairly accomplished modern medicine specialist who received education in an Ivy League institute in India (AIIMS) and then did pretty well abroad, obviously there was something that the 'soul' of the good doctor was finding amiss. The spiritual linkage between the healing system and the patient was missing and the ninth house sun was calling out to Dr. Deepak with all its might. And the soul wanted to bring all of this out in the open, in plain view for all to see, which is what the 7th house (in this case the natural home of sun) is all about. Deepak Chopra found a spiritual teacher who brought together the missing pieces in Dr. Chopra's life and then a wonderful journey began. And now about the planets associated with sun? Jupiter's wisdom, mercury's skilled writing and allegorical presentation, presented with the brilliant energy depicted by the mutual exchange between Venus (lord of 9th) and mars (lord of 10th) is not happenstance.

The presence of ketu with Venus in the mysterious Scorpio adds the depth of wisdom that is not coming from what someone read just in the last few years and is regurgitating but comes from many lifetimes of observations, and comprehension, deep comprehension. An interesting trait that Deepak has is of giving a whole string of keywords and examples in a rapid succession when he is discussing something. A benefic mars and mercury in the presence of Jupiter (energy, wisdom, verbosity) in the 9th through their rulership of the relevant houses, 2nd for speech, from the mind (5th), and the 3rd for thoughts communicated and 7th (to the masses). The sign of an excellent teacher who loves to teach! Obviously there are many classical yogas in this chart and those do help further.

What pleases the mind of Deepak? His moon is placed in virgo in the 8th house. His primary profession, as the world sees him is as a doctor and healer. His writing, teachings, guru status comes afterwards. The sixth sign virgo is often seen prominently in the charts of doctors. In this case, Deepak always seems to be concerned about the inability or limitations of modern medicine to deal with chronic, lifetime illnesses, generally indicated by the 8th house. The lord of 6th moon is placed in the 8th giving a vipareeta rajayoga. Health, definitely is something that will be of great interest to Deepak's mind, and fortunate is he who has found what pleases his mind to unite with what pleases his soul, earlier described, and turned it into a mission in this lifetime.

Virgo is also the sign of writers and authors and Deepak has himself mentioned that he always wanted to write and share his experiences and knowledge with others in a simple and pleasing manner (the Venus and ketu helped too!)

Mars as earlier pointed out is placed with sun, mercury, Jupiter in the 9th and rules the 3rd and 10th. Through communication and actually remaining connected to his original profession through the Chopra Healing Center, Deepak has managed to devote his enormous internal energy towards meeting his personal life-goals (physical, mental and spiritual) and in a rather effective manner.

The pivot of spirituality, of higher learning which through the martian-venusian energies feeds into and is expressed through the mercurian modalities (speeches, workshops, writings) and all of these bringing a rather lucrative return in a worldly sense in terms of riches of all kinds are what mercury is all about when he smiles on the nativity. What the sun lacks in terms of uchchabala (exaltation strength), is more than made up through cancellation (presence of mars with sun, and Venus being in kendra from lagna) which then energizes the budhaditya yoga (sign association of mercury and sun) in the ninth and a spiritually-minded teacher-healer was born.

Jupiter has been described earlier and the thematic link between Jupiter in 9th, Jupiter owning the 2nd (speech and family) and 11th (earnings and gains) can be seen in Deepak's experience. One thing to point out here is that jyotishis, particularly beginners tend to focus on one factor. While this is the only way to discuss or absorb the astrological factors, due to our linear thinking and communication, this is a good example where one must not think of Jupiter without simultaneously thinking of mars, sun and mercury all in 9th house and then synthesize the energies into one reading!

And finally, Venus, Saturn and rahu: So what is it that our good doctor would feel bleak without? Or which remained unexpressed as per our hypothesis to serve as the key behind Saturn in this chart? With Saturn in the sixth, and Saturn being lagnesha and lord of 12th, his profession and association with illness and suffering in others are very key drivers without which none of this would have been possible. And without which (Venus in 10th) his message, his life would have remained unaccomplished. Venus rules the 9th and 4th in this chart. Without the spirituality and home/peace of mind that he has obviously gained from many lifetimes of good deeds, as evident from his 9th house situation, Deepak would have not arrived in the grand way that he has! There are people who can switch careers drastically with no link to what they did before or were trained for. Ironically, it is true for many foreign-trained medical doctors in North America. Only Deepak knows and can confirm, but this is one area that he has always felt strongly about but has probably not addressed in terms of bringing about a change in the attitudes of native health-care administrative bodies. Now what about Rahu? What are the doctor's fears and inner trepidations? Deepak has experienced at some point in his life a great fear of losing someone very dear, close to home and it could be related to his experience about his children during the 9/11 experience as he has shared publicly, as well as the period when he was being ostracized by the North American Medical community for his extremely brave step to speak out against established medicine in a country that was not his own!

An interesting thing to note in this chart is the fact that Rahu and not Saturn is the lagnesh in this horoscope! This has been a personal research of mine based on the rather well-accepted premise of kujawata ketu and sanivada Rahu that all jyotishis are aware of (described earlier in this article)! Where does this statement come from? I think it arises from the segment of astrology described by both Parashara and Jaimini when they tell us about the dual rulership of Scorpio and aquarius rashis which jyotishis accept as being co-ruled by ketu/mars and rahu/Saturn respectively. These are in most instances not co-ruled, but ruled by one or the other based on some very clear guidance given by both Rishis. In this chart for instance, both Saturn and Rahu are placed singly in two houses, however, Rahu is placed in a fixed sign while Saturn is placed in a chara sign. The dual signs are considered stronger than fixed signs and the fixed signs are stronger than the movable or chara signs. Rahu is in a fixed sign, taurus, in this chart and thus becomes the lagnesha. The visible proof for this is the physical appearance of Deepak Chopra. His youthful looks, pleasant and gentle demeanour, the shape of forehead, the dimple on his chin, his love of aesthetics and attention to beauty in any project he takes on are crying out aloud: Venus! Venus aspects Rahu from the 10th house and taurus also arises in navamsha. Although Deepak will age gracefully, I am certain that he is probably not looking at it with welcoming arms. He loves integrity and particularly of the mind-body-spirit working well in a coordinated manner throughout the lifetime and that he has turned into a lifelong quest as we all know from his writings and thoughts shared with all of us.

Since the Rahu ketu axis sits in the 4th and 10th houses, a major concern had been that pertaining to home life and its balancing with a very productive professional life and a great deal of effort has gone into making sure that the two areas remained well-attended and integrated. I hope I have been able to present my thoughts in a cogent and hopefully veritable manner. Several things are obvious and easily confirmed from facts that we know, but there are certain things that can only be confirmed by Dr. Deepak Chopra. In the absence of such confirmation or feedback forthcoming (unless Dr. Chopra reads this article on this wonderful website, AND I hope he does!), my research must continue on this hypothesis that came to me at an opportune moment. You, readers and hopefully serious and sincere astrologers will join me and help by becoming 'testers' or as was the term in homeopathy (Heilkunst), "proovers"!

Thank you for your attention and interest.

Rohiniranjan
************************************************

Brickbats arrived immediately and somewhat hilariously and confusedly!

Suddenly, a friend from nowhere, unknown, appeared and like always, even before thanking him, I thought of YOU!

Love, Light, Reality :smt004  

Tera sevak, bachhaa aur chela!

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Re: Good Lesson, MA...!

Post by RishiRahul » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:50 pm

Rohiniranjan wrote:MA I made a mistake again a few days ago and learned so much!  :smt004

A simple sharing, from my heart caused so much pain to a few egos!


************************************************
Planetary Beacons and Pointers in the Rashi Varga
By Rohiniranjan

These are some pointers that I would like to share with other fellow jyotish friend. The house/sign in which sun is placed, by itself, and associated with the lords or significators (karakas) and the house in which Leo is placed in the nativity's horoscope, hold the key to the areas or indications or things that the nativity is pleased to attend to or accomplish, at a deeper soul level.

A similar algorithm can then be used for the remaining planets:

Moon, the house it is in, the planets it is associated with and the house in which cancer falls: The things, areas and activities that please the mind

Mars: The things and activities which the individual will willingly devote efforts and energy towards

Mercury: Areas of trade {and communication}

Jupiter: {Areas of knowledge, knowing and morals}

Venus: Things without which the person's life becomes bland, insipid and like death.

Saturn: Things and areas which remain 'dead' and absent in the nativity's life or are avoided and suppressed during the current lifetime (in accordance to the life-plan). Kind of like repressed or unexpressed 'genes'

Lunar nodes: Things and areas which remain uncertain or where phobias and obsessions arise.

These then can be treated as planetary beacons or pointers towards areas and issues in a given nativity's human experience.

Over a period of time, I have begun to take more seriously the statement in jyotish that goes: Sanivada Rahu, kujvata ketu (Rahu or north node of moon is similar to Saturn in its nature while Ketu, the south node of moon is of the nature of Mars). This obviously, in my understanding, refers to the rulership of Scorpio by mars/ketu and of aquarius by Saturn/Rahu as elaborated in the conditions prescribed for their utilization as rulers in the Chara Dasha scheme (by Parashara and Jaimini). When the nodes become rulers of the two signs normally ruled by mars and Saturn, special attention must be paid to the nodes in such charts in general and for the considerations given in this article.

The following prescribed rules are to be applied sequentially, until one of them is met:

1. If both are in own sign (e.g., Saturn in Capricorn and rahu in aquarius) then both share rulership.
2. If one is in own sign (e.g., Saturn in Capricorn) then Rahu rules aquarius
3. If one of the contender is in company (in the same sign) of greater number of planets, it becomes the ruler of aquarius or scorpio (rahu or ketu respectively)
4. Not meeting the above requirements, the planet is stronger in the following order: Movable, Fixed, Dual. The planet in dual sign is the strongest contender.
5. If both are in the same triplicity, then utilizing the Jaimini Chara order of counting, the planet that is farther away from the sign under consideration (aquarius or scorpio) becomes the ruler.

The prescribed order of counting is normal (aries, Taurus, Gemini...) for Aries, Taurus, Gemini, libra, scorpio, and Sagittarius, and in reverse order (cancer, Gemini, Taurus...) for the remaining signs. The order alternates in clusters of three signs.

Now to illustrate, let us take a chart well-known to jyotishis, that of the modern Rishi: Dr. Deepak Chopra.

Here sun is placed in its sign of debility in the ninth house and leo is placed in the 7th house. Though a fairly accomplished modern medicine specialist who received education in an Ivy League institute in India (AIIMS) and then did pretty well abroad, obviously there was something that the 'soul' of the good doctor was finding amiss. The spiritual linkage between the healing system and the patient was missing and the ninth house sun was calling out to Dr. Deepak with all its might. And the soul wanted to bring all of this out in the open, in plain view for all to see, which is what the 7th house (in this case the natural home of sun) is all about. Deepak Chopra found a spiritual teacher who brought together the missing pieces in Dr. Chopra's life and then a wonderful journey began. And now about the planets associated with sun? Jupiter's wisdom, mercury's skilled writing and allegorical presentation, presented with the brilliant energy depicted by the mutual exchange between Venus (lord of 9th) and mars (lord of 10th) is not happenstance.

The presence of ketu with Venus in the mysterious Scorpio adds the depth of wisdom that is not coming from what someone read just in the last few years and is regurgitating but comes from many lifetimes of observations, and comprehension, deep comprehension. An interesting trait that Deepak has is of giving a whole string of keywords and examples in a rapid succession when he is discussing something. A benefic mars and mercury in the presence of Jupiter (energy, wisdom, verbosity) in the 9th through their rulership of the relevant houses, 2nd for speech, from the mind (5th), and the 3rd for thoughts communicated and 7th (to the masses). The sign of an excellent teacher who loves to teach! Obviously there are many classical yogas in this chart and those do help further.

What pleases the mind of Deepak? His moon is placed in virgo in the 8th house. His primary profession, as the world sees him is as a doctor and healer. His writing, teachings, guru status comes afterwards. The sixth sign virgo is often seen prominently in the charts of doctors. In this case, Deepak always seems to be concerned about the inability or limitations of modern medicine to deal with chronic, lifetime illnesses, generally indicated by the 8th house. The lord of 6th moon is placed in the 8th giving a vipareeta rajayoga. Health, definitely is something that will be of great interest to Deepak's mind, and fortunate is he who has found what pleases his mind to unite with what pleases his soul, earlier described, and turned it into a mission in this lifetime.

Virgo is also the sign of writers and authors and Deepak has himself mentioned that he always wanted to write and share his experiences and knowledge with others in a simple and pleasing manner (the Venus and ketu helped too!)

Mars as earlier pointed out is placed with sun, mercury, Jupiter in the 9th and rules the 3rd and 10th. Through communication and actually remaining connected to his original profession through the Chopra Healing Center, Deepak has managed to devote his enormous internal energy towards meeting his personal life-goals (physical, mental and spiritual) and in a rather effective manner.

The pivot of spirituality, of higher learning which through the martian-venusian energies feeds into and is expressed through the mercurian modalities (speeches, workshops, writings) and all of these bringing a rather lucrative return in a worldly sense in terms of riches of all kinds are what mercury is all about when he smiles on the nativity. What the sun lacks in terms of uchchabala (exaltation strength), is more than made up through cancellation (presence of mars with sun, and Venus being in kendra from lagna) which then energizes the budhaditya yoga (sign association of mercury and sun) in the ninth and a spiritually-minded teacher-healer was born.

Jupiter has been described earlier and the thematic link between Jupiter in 9th, Jupiter owning the 2nd (speech and family) and 11th (earnings and gains) can be seen in Deepak's experience. One thing to point out here is that jyotishis, particularly beginners tend to focus on one factor. While this is the only way to discuss or absorb the astrological factors, due to our linear thinking and communication, this is a good example where one must not think of Jupiter without simultaneously thinking of mars, sun and mercury all in 9th house and then synthesize the energies into one reading!

And finally, Venus, Saturn and rahu: So what is it that our good doctor would feel bleak without? Or which remained unexpressed as per our hypothesis to serve as the key behind Saturn in this chart? With Saturn in the sixth, and Saturn being lagnesha and lord of 12th, his profession and association with illness and suffering in others are very key drivers without which none of this would have been possible. And without which (Venus in 10th) his message, his life would have remained unaccomplished. Venus rules the 9th and 4th in this chart. Without the spirituality and home/peace of mind that he has obviously gained from many lifetimes of good deeds, as evident from his 9th house situation, Deepak would have not arrived in the grand way that he has! There are people who can switch careers drastically with no link to what they did before or were trained for. Ironically, it is true for many foreign-trained medical doctors in North America. Only Deepak knows and can confirm, but this is one area that he has always felt strongly about but has probably not addressed in terms of bringing about a change in the attitudes of native health-care administrative bodies. Now what about Rahu? What are the doctor's fears and inner trepidations? Deepak has experienced at some point in his life a great fear of losing someone very dear, close to home and it could be related to his experience about his children during the 9/11 experience as he has shared publicly, as well as the period when he was being ostracized by the North American Medical community for his extremely brave step to speak out against established medicine in a country that was not his own!

An interesting thing to note in this chart is the fact that Rahu and not Saturn is the lagnesh in this horoscope! This has been a personal research of mine based on the rather well-accepted premise of kujawata ketu and sanivada Rahu that all jyotishis are aware of (described earlier in this article)! Where does this statement come from? I think it arises from the segment of astrology described by both Parashara and Jaimini when they tell us about the dual rulership of Scorpio and aquarius rashis which jyotishis accept as being co-ruled by ketu/mars and rahu/Saturn respectively. These are in most instances not co-ruled, but ruled by one or the other based on some very clear guidance given by both Rishis. In this chart for instance, both Saturn and Rahu are placed singly in two houses, however, Rahu is placed in a fixed sign while Saturn is placed in a chara sign. The dual signs are considered stronger than fixed signs and the fixed signs are stronger than the movable or chara signs. Rahu is in a fixed sign, taurus, in this chart and thus becomes the lagnesha. The visible proof for this is the physical appearance of Deepak Chopra. His youthful looks, pleasant and gentle demeanour, the shape of forehead, the dimple on his chin, his love of aesthetics and attention to beauty in any project he takes on are crying out aloud: Venus! Venus aspects Rahu from the 10th house and taurus also arises in navamsha. Although Deepak will age gracefully, I am certain that he is probably not looking at it with welcoming arms. He loves integrity and particularly of the mind-body-spirit working well in a coordinated manner throughout the lifetime and that he has turned into a lifelong quest as we all know from his writings and thoughts shared with all of us.

Since the Rahu ketu axis sits in the 4th and 10th houses, a major concern had been that pertaining to home life and its balancing with a very productive professional life and a great deal of effort has gone into making sure that the two areas remained well-attended and integrated. I hope I have been able to present my thoughts in a cogent and hopefully veritable manner. Several things are obvious and easily confirmed from facts that we know, but there are certain things that can only be confirmed by Dr. Deepak Chopra. In the absence of such confirmation or feedback forthcoming (unless Dr. Chopra reads this article on this wonderful website, AND I hope he does!), my research must continue on this hypothesis that came to me at an opportune moment. You, readers and hopefully serious and sincere astrologers will join me and help by becoming 'testers' or as was the term in homeopathy (Heilkunst), "proovers"!

Thank you for your attention and interest.

Rohiniranjan
************************************************

Brickbats arrived immediately and somewhat hilariously and confusedly!

Suddenly, a friend from nowhere, unknown, appeared and like always, even before thanking him, I thought of YOU!

Love, Light, Reality :smt004  

Tera sevak, bachhaa aur chela!

Rohiniranjan

The time for power has arrived :) , is what I get.

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Post by Rohiniranjan » Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:11 pm

Power, Rishi ji, is the possession and fitting attribute of the Divine, and not of the puppets (humans)!
Who knows where Hitler, Aurangzeb or similar power-mongering persons are today! Or other dictators and folks like Attila the Hun! <LOL>
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Post by RishiRahul » Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:41 am

Rohiniranjan wrote:Power, Rishi ji, is the possession and fitting attribute of the Divine, and not of the puppets (humans)!
Who knows where Hitler, Aurangzeb or similar power-mongering persons are today! Or other dictators and folks like Attila the Hun! <LOL>


Dada,

Power Arrives and goes with a person; just as no one is indispensable, and are in this world for a limited time.

Power, Love, Hate etc etc can be used in this world, but all have a limited time as it arrives through living beings.

No one lasts, but what we give to the world does.
I loved your words......

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Post by Rohiniranjan » Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:12 am

RishiRahul wrote:
Rohiniranjan wrote:Power, Rishi ji, is the possession and fitting attribute of the Divine, and not of the puppets (humans)!
Who knows where Hitler, Aurangzeb or similar power-mongering persons are today! Or other dictators and folks like Attila the Hun! <LOL>


Dada,

Power Arrives and goes with a person; just as no one is indispensable, and are in this world for a limited time.

Power, Love, Hate etc etc can be used in this world, but all have a limited time as it arrives through living beings.

No one lasts, but what we give to the world does.
I loved your words......

Rishi
Rishi,

Some background and clarifications, if I may :-)
Though very interested and intrigued by the general area for many decades and picking up the threads from time to time when time and opportunities arose, I have been quite into past life matters and material, through astrology and other modalities and more so for the past nearly one decade due to certain personal experiences and situations etc.

Persons and individuals are not indispensible is well understood and accepted by me since childhood and forms a base pillar in my understanding of the framework (as understood by me). Certain religious beliefs insist or at least have been in the past several hundred years that PLEs are not to be taken seriously and many so called modern minds line up behind such thought-trends. And, from a strict flesh and blood physical perspective they are not off the mark and their paradigm works for most individuals from a practical sense (though leads to confusion and increases the separation between self, soul and God as the entities. It would be futile to go into that deeper or wider in this thread which has no intentions of trying to change other viewpoints or to teach, of course! Other than mentioning that it is fascinating as areas of study go and worth pursuing.

Power does not arrive or go, it is all HERE, only the person does not stay! I know you are probably expressing that very thought, perhaps in different way. It is a borrowed crown some wear for some time, in the long journey of the maturation of soul! This is what modern mystics call spirit in order to separate it from the concept known as soul, which in order to understand, human beings have categorised through semantics etc in order to comprehend that which is of the realm where words are inadequate, as I tried to address in the past few days here, elsewhere (section)!

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