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Post by RishiRahul » Fri Jun 26, 2015 3:21 pm

Rohiniranjan wrote:
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Thats true. The softawres have much progress lately over the years.

Without the human mind the software couldn't have progressed as much; in fact the human mind and technology has helped softwares'  to better.

To Incorporate the timings of events such as yogas' (for example), the astrologers need to decide  how to find out the time themselves (the method of finding the time for yoga fructification), to be able to incorporate it in the softwares.

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Rishi ji Maharaj, either the humans have already figured that out or the so called castle of infalliable astrology is one big balloon filled with...?  :smt004

Even before this example you interestingly chose, namely, time of yoga fructification -- rules would have to be established and laid out in the software for: When is a yoga a mere mirage!  :smt003

Just to bring the wild ponies back to the ranch -- ?

I get your point. Yes, sometimes some yogas in a nativity do not happen. There re astrological reasons for that like weak or afflicted dispositors, afflictions in bhava chart etc....

..... And yes, incoroprating THAT  in computer software is difficult!

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Post by Rohiniranjan » Fri Jun 26, 2015 3:29 pm

Now... you are getting it!  :smt020
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Post by RishiRahul » Fri Jun 26, 2015 3:52 pm

Rohiniranjan wrote:Now... you are getting it!  :smt020


Dada,

All said and done, a computer software cannot reproduce a CRAFT adequately.

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Post by Rohiniranjan » Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:13 pm

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Rohiniranjan wrote:Now... you are getting it!  :smt020


Dada,

All said and done, a computer software cannot reproduce a CRAFT adequately.

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At this time, no, because the craft varies from person to person. Once that gets sorted out, programming should not be the bottle neck.
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Rohiniranjan wrote:
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Rohiniranjan wrote:Now... you are getting it!  :smt020


Dada,

All said and done, a computer software cannot reproduce a CRAFT adequately.

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At this time, no, because the craft varies from person to person. Once that gets sorted out, programming should not be the bottle neck.
When one is using multiple dasa systems  to come to conclusions (I am not not just talking of conditional dasas), its difficult to incorporate results with a computer software.

But yes, a well designed computer software can make predictions easier for an astrologer Certainly; but I do not believe that it can replace a good astrologer.

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P.S: but with the the great progress of Science in developing the computers and softwares, one can say about the future whether the computers can replace humans; but certainly not the WISDOM, I think.
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Post by Rohiniranjan » Sun Jun 28, 2015 12:30 pm

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Post by biltu » Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:11 am

WHY COMPUTERIZED PREDICTIONS DO NOT WORK…?

because they don't have soul, so lack of realisation.

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Post by RishiRahul » Fri Aug 14, 2015 5:02 am

biltu wrote:WHY COMPUTERIZED PREDICTIONS DO NOT WORK…?

because they don't have soul, so lack of realisation.
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Post by ChanDubai » Sat Aug 15, 2015 7:55 am

Namaste ! to both the RR Ji,

Umm here's the link thought worth sharing

http://www.ibm.com/smarterplanet/us/en/ ... atson.html

A new Cognitive Technology using AI and human experience machine learning to predict!!

But donno about Astrology Predictions again strongly believe this technology can be harnessed along with experienced Astrologers inputs to make Machine/Software predict at least 60%-70% accurate NOT the general REPORTS which most of in fact almost all the available Jyotish S/w does currently.

This new technology and above link worth reading and there's video too about how Watson works

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Post by Rohiniranjan » Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:25 pm

It is not so much about finding a new "slicer" but having a clear, consistent and uniformly acceptable definition about the 'loaf' of bread, Chandubai ji.

But thanks for the link. AI and ANNL are fairly robust 'slicers' and have been in use in many sectors (physical) but in those domains the recipes and definitions of the "loaf" were methodically explored and outlined.

Unlike in the bakeries of astrology...?  :smt032
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Post by Brahma Mihira » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:31 am

RishiRahul wrote:
Rohiniranjan wrote:Okay <LOL>
That should be simple!

What I merant was the common facyor amongst the two; and Palmistry  and /numerology would help make the timing precise, and simple.

Just with astrology it doesnt become simple; at least for me too.

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For clear dasa times, we can use palmistry with vedic charts, also time scales show in 1-4-7-10 houses can be used to make the timing precise, into some level. Example is 10th house shows person's age since 30 - 60, so its lord and planets associated in that house can be used to compare with dasa periods goes in between 30 -60.

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Brahma Mihira wrote:
RishiRahul wrote:
Rohiniranjan wrote:Okay <LOL>
That should be simple!

What I merant was the common facyor amongst the two; and Palmistry  and /numerology would help make the timing precise, and simple.

Just with astrology it doesnt become simple; at least for me too.

Rishi
For clear dasa times, we can use palmistry with vedic charts, also time scales show in 1-4-7-10 houses can be used to make the timing precise, into some level. Example is 10th house shows person's age since 30 - 60, so its lord and planets associated in that house can be used to compare with dasa periods goes in between 30 -60.


Brahma Mihira,

Can you please explain this better with an example or explanation?
Nice seeing you respond!

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Post by Brahma Mihira » Thu Sep 24, 2015 11:35 am

RishiRahul wrote:
Brahma Mihira wrote:
RishiRahul wrote:
Rohiniranjan wrote:Okay <LOL>
That should be simple!

What I merant was the common facyor amongst the two; and Palmistry  and /numerology would help make the timing precise, and simple.

Just with astrology it doesnt become simple; at least for me too.

Rishi
For clear dasa times, we can use palmistry with vedic charts, also time scales show in 1-4-7-10 houses can be used to make the timing precise, into some level. Example is 10th house shows person's age since 30 - 60, so its lord and planets associated in that house can be used to compare with dasa periods goes in between 30 -60.


Brahma Mihira,

Can you please explain this better with an example or explanation?
Nice seeing you respond!

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1st house tells childhood, normally age between birth to 20, 7th house says about youth age between 20 - 30, 10th house says about adult life span between 30 - 60 and finally 4th house is age over 60.

If someone's 10th house has well powerful positive planets such as Sun and Mars and its lord also so powerfully placed then his life in age 30 - 60 will be so prosperous, esp. in career life and money. This can prove by if maha dasa planet in that era also is going in such powerfully and positively.

Another methods that can use to precise time scale is some astrologers use use two dasa systems such as Vim Dasa with Kalachakra Dasa or Vim Dasa with Yogini Dasa.

People who don't know about palmistry can use these methods.
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Post by RishiRahul » Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:09 pm

Brahma Mihira wrote:
RishiRahul wrote:
Brahma Mihira wrote:
RishiRahul wrote:
Rohiniranjan wrote:Okay <LOL>
That should be simple!

What I merant was the common facyor amongst the two; and Palmistry  and /numerology would help make the timing precise, and simple.

Just with astrology it doesnt become simple; at least for me too.

Rishi
For clear dasa times, we can use palmistry with vedic charts, also time scales show in 1-4-7-10 houses can be used to make the timing precise, into some level. Example is 10th house shows person's age since 30 - 60, so its lord and planets associated in that house can be used to compare with dasa periods goes in between 30 -60.


Brahma Mihira,

Can you please explain this better with an example or explanation?
Nice seeing you respond!

RishiRahul
1st house tells childhood, normally age between birth to 20, 7th house says about youth age between 20 - 30, 10th house says about adult life span between 30 - 60 and finally 4th house is age over 60.

If someone's 10th house has well powerful positive planets such as Sun and Mars and its lord also so powerfully placed then his life in age 30 - 60 will be so prosperous, esp. in career life and money. This can prove by if maha dasa planet in that era also is going in such powerfully and positively.

Another methods that can use to precise time scale is some astrologers use use two dasa systems such as Vim Dasa with Kalachakra Dasa or Vim Dasa with Yogini Dasa.

People who don't know about palmistry can use these methods.


Which is why I talk of multiple tools.

I like your method/approach to foretelling, though the kendra ages are very broad; but its a good start.

And yes, just one dasa is not enough to see something. While every dasa works differently, and there are so many dasas, systems etc. (without going to the multiple tools in palmistry or within palmistry).

Keep at it:)

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Post by Rohiniranjan » Thu Sep 24, 2015 6:11 pm

RishiRahul wrote:
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While every dasa works differently, and there are so many dasas, systems etc.

...

RishiRahul

...But do you good folk really think that a certain planet would be all that different in its indications, expressions, roles and attributes if it is ruling-operating in the different dasas in an individual?

After all each horoscope has only one sun, moon, Jupiter, Saturn etc., and their 'job description' (karmic signature?) is the same and kind of fixed at the moment of birth!

A somewhat related situation arises when folks insist that the so called parashari principles must not be mixed with the so called Jaimini principles, though both use the same planet as the spring-board in natal astrology. It is not as if the sun wears a Parashari hat during vimshottari dasa but a Jaimini hat when ruling chara dasa period!

A related curiosity question arises as to what happens to ketu in ashtottari, for instance!

Are we astrologers over-engineering the so called 'linear-logic' (works great and more often when designing bridges and machines, admittedly!) that we assume (simplistically?) to be the *engine* underlying astrology... :smt004

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