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Post by Rohiniranjan » Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:42 am

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I doubt if we will get a clear answer to it. Certainly, the path and the jyoti on it is marked. The ways to understand it are manifold, diverse and pluralistic. To each his/her own...

For, some say,it is the social, cultural and ethical level of consciousness which determines the decisions taken by the individuals..be it the earthy farmer , the intellectual academician, the powerful politician, the affluent business, the young child or simply the ordinary individual who walks on in the flow of life and society.

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Haha! And *they* vehemently claim/profess/etc that TIME is neither linear nor even a real entity!

Without the concept of TIME and its linearity, Karma (Law of cause leading to effect) stands on rather shaky legs and astrology and similar gets tossed out of their window (of *perception*?) by certain types of mind-sets...?

Unless it is all one huge random *dog's breakfast*, the perplexing question remains:

Why do saints suffer while rogues seem to be doing so well...?  :smt017
Ma ki leela nyari...
The creator's cosmic game is unfathomable....

Rarely do we comprehend the cause and effect equations. The resultant consequences are best when they remain unsolved in the realms of unfolding time notwithstanding our forays in jyotish and other divinatory arts. The efforts of Science, intuition, mystic revelations and Astrology are unable to answer all questions.

Ours to make efforts to understand, Her's to give answers!

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Agreed! That is what the wisdom of Sages and Ages has stated too. I did allude to that as the theme of this thought-thread...! :-)
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Post by Votive » Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:31 am

Na yeh bujhti, na rukti, na thahri hai kahin;
Noor ki boond hai sadiyon se baha karti hai

Loosely translated...Its just a drop of light which flows through milleniums...


Yes, you did indeed. It is through this flow that we seek and offer.
To go back to the original theme..

Mani or gem will be more effective astrologically provided it is allowed to receive the light which will focus on it and allow it to glow more beneficially. And this "light' is the karmik effort in tandem with the Gem.

A very practical tip, Ranjanda, thankyou!

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Post by RishiRahul » Thu Sep 17, 2015 2:05 pm

Votive wrote:Na yeh bujhti, na rukti, na thahri hai kahin;
Noor ki boond hai sadiyon se baha karti hai

Loosely translated...Its just a drop of light which flows through milleniums...


Yes, you did indeed. It is through this flow that we seek and offer.
To go back to the original theme..

Mani or gem will be more effective astrologically provided it is allowed to receive the light which will focus on it and allow it to glow more beneficially. And this "light' is the karmik effort in tandem with the Gem.

A very practical tip, Ranjanda, thankyou!

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Post by Rohiniranjan » Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:11 am

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'Like', as in facebook....!

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FB has lately been getting a rap for having only the like/dislike (un-like) option and many 'likes' being furtively created just by someone *visiting* a site!

They are planning to do something about that. The latest wave being created by a national political party tagging a 'like' on a reporter who happened to visit the party's site! ;-)
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Post by RishiRahul » Fri Sep 18, 2015 6:42 pm

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'Like', as in facebook....!

Rishi
FB has lately been getting a rap for having only the like/dislike (un-like) option and many 'likes' being furtively created just by someone *visiting* a site!

They are planning to do something about that. The latest wave being created by a national political party tagging a 'like' on a reporter who happened to visit the party's site! ;-)

Okay okay!

The energising of gemstones for astro remedy purposes should be read as 'effort' given by the native wearing the gemstone.

I would believe so too.

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Post by Rohiniranjan » Sat Sep 19, 2015 4:26 pm

karma (The doctrine of action and efforts!) has become a joke these days...! Particularly, on internet...? &nbsp;<LOL>

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Post by eye_of_tiger » Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:38 am

In order to fully believe in Karma, one must first believe in reincarnation, or rebirth of the soul into another physical body.

The various interpretations of what Karma and reincarnation are have become greatly oversimplified and corrupted on the internet by people who use their particular interpretation as a method of controlling the rest of us mainly through fear and guilt, as well as for trying to impress us with their false and misleading "wisdom" and negative "visions".

Some of these interpretations are so way out and extreme and so unnecessary fear and guilt producing, that they deserve to be treated as a cruel joke, and be revealed for what they really are just below the surface.

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Post by Rohiniranjan » Mon Sep 21, 2015 2:45 am

eye_of_tiger wrote:In order to fully believe in Karma, one must first believe in reincarnation, or rebirth of the soul into another physical body.

The various interpretations of what Karma and reincarnation are have become greatly oversimplified and corrupted on the internet by people who use their particular interpretation as a method of controlling the rest of us mainly through fear and guilt, as well as for trying to impress us with their false and misleading "wisdom" and negative "visions".

Some of these interpretations are so way out and extreme and so unnecessary fear and guilt producing, that they deserve to be treated as a cruel joke, and be revealed for what they really are just below the surface.

EoT

Yes, crude statements such as "You shalt reap what you sow`and `an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth` must not be accepted as gospel.
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Post by Talia » Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:25 am

Rohiniranjan wrote:
eye_of_tiger wrote:In order to fully believe in Karma, one must first believe in reincarnation, or rebirth of the soul into another physical body.

The various interpretations of what Karma and reincarnation are have become greatly oversimplified and corrupted on the internet by people who use their particular interpretation as a method of controlling the rest of us mainly through fear and guilt, as well as for trying to impress us with their false and misleading "wisdom" and negative "visions".

Some of these interpretations are so way out and extreme and so unnecessary fear and guilt producing, that they deserve to be treated as a cruel joke, and be revealed for what they really are just below the surface.

EoT

Yes, crude statements such as "You shalt reap what you sow`and `an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth` must not be accepted as gospel.
But karma can work in this life, exactly as that and no need for re-incarnation, just need a different word? Sod's Law? Murphy's Law? Payback?

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Post by RishiRahul » Mon Sep 21, 2015 2:45 pm

Talia wrote:
Rohiniranjan wrote:
eye_of_tiger wrote:In order to fully believe in Karma, one must first believe in reincarnation, or rebirth of the soul into another physical body.

The various interpretations of what Karma and reincarnation are have become greatly oversimplified and corrupted on the internet by people who use their particular interpretation as a method of controlling the rest of us mainly through fear and guilt, as well as for trying to impress us with their false and misleading "wisdom" and negative "visions".

Some of these interpretations are so way out and extreme and so unnecessary fear and guilt producing, that they deserve to be treated as a cruel joke, and be revealed for what they really are just below the surface.

EoT

Yes, crude statements such as "You shalt reap what you sow`and `an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth` must not be accepted as gospel.
But karma can work in this life, exactly as that and no need for re-incarnation, just need a different word? Sod's Law? Murphy's Law? Payback?
Hi Talia,

You just made my point!!

Karma is something we can discuss about, not say for certainty.

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Post by Rohiniranjan » Mon Sep 21, 2015 3:53 pm

Talia wrote:
Rohiniranjan wrote:
eye_of_tiger wrote:In order to fully believe in Karma, one must first believe in reincarnation, or rebirth of the soul into another physical body.

The various interpretations of what Karma and reincarnation are have become greatly oversimplified and corrupted on the internet by people who use their particular interpretation as a method of controlling the rest of us mainly through fear and guilt, as well as for trying to impress us with their false and misleading "wisdom" and negative "visions".

Some of these interpretations are so way out and extreme and so unnecessary fear and guilt producing, that they deserve to be treated as a cruel joke, and be revealed for what they really are just below the surface.

EoT

Yes, crude statements such as "You shalt reap what you sow`and `an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth` must not be accepted as gospel.
But karma can work in this life, exactly as that and no need for re-incarnation, just need a different word? Sod's Law? Murphy's Law? Payback?
...And might generally require many births to amortize...!

If you or those of similar thinking are claiming that ALL the documented mention of past life research and recalls (induced and spontaneous) are fairy tales bred from imagination gone wild then it is a different matter.

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Post by eye_of_tiger » Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:59 pm

But karma can work in this life, exactly as that and no need for re-incarnation
Which is why I wrote.......
In order to fully believe in Karma
Karma works both within this lifetime as well as if we also accept the concept of reincarnation, across multiple lifetimes.

You can still see the laws of Karma operating within a single lifetime but in order to fully believe in and appreciate the universal balancing of cause and effect which occurs both within a single lifetime as well as across several lifetimes, one must first accept that we each live more than one lifetime on this planet.

And yes the consequences of Karmic law are much easier to recognise across multiple lifetimes because this cosmic balancing act may require the accumulated experiences of many lifetimes for that soul to learn the lessons it teaches.

Another complication which is often overlooked is that our oversimplified model of how we believe karma operates does not take into account that every lifetime provides both opportunities and challenges which if accepted as positive learning experiences and fully cooperated with, can potentially change the course of a soul's karma. And what we do within each of these lifetimes can add to our karmic debt, which must then be repaid further down the path.

Therefore one's Karma is constantly changing and relative, and not as many people are made to believe static and absolute.

Just as in a school on Earth where your future lessons can be changed by your teacher according to how well or otherwise you learned your earlier and usually considerably simpler lessons, similarly in the big cosmic classroom which we call life our karmic teacher often determines whether we are prepared for more advanced lessons (either later in the same lifetime or in future lives) by how well we coped with more basic lessons in the past and present.

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Post by Rohiniranjan » Tue Sep 22, 2015 6:20 pm

Karma means action! How can it be static or absolute? <LOL>
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Post by eye_of_tiger » Tue Sep 22, 2015 11:31 pm

A soul's karmic lessons are being constantly changed or revised, according to any progress made, both within one lifetime as well as between successive lifetimes.

In other words they (the soul's karmic lessons) are neither static nor absolute (fixed).

Karma as we think that we understand it (we don't) is a highly simplified human interpretation of what is in reality an incredibly more complex mechanism for a soul's evolution.

But karmic lessons are the practical instruments through which that soul's karmic credits and debts accumulated over multiple lifetimes are balanced against each other, giving rise to future lessons, challenges and opportunities for its growth and development.

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Post by Rohiniranjan » Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:59 am

eye_of_tiger wrote:A soul's karmic lessons are being constantly changed or revised, according to any progress made, both within one lifetime as well as between successive lifetimes.

In other words they (the soul's karmic lessons) are neither static nor absolute (fixed).

Karma as we think that we understand it (we don't) is a highly simplified human interpretation of what is in reality an incredibly more complex mechanism for a soul's evolution.

But karmic lessons are the practical instruments through which that soul's karmic credits and debts accumulated over multiple lifetimes are balanced against each other, giving rise to future lessons, challenges and opportunities for its growth and development.

EoT
Soul is believed to be perfect presumedly created from/by Divine (God). One wonders then how and where it became imperfect and got sent to the boarding school known as earth (Sansaar or samsara or earthly realm) ;-)
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