Part One - The Major Arcana - 6

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Part One - The Major Arcana - 6

Post by Gem » Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:52 pm

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Some really eye-opening pictures here, and all so easy to read and interpret...... or are they?

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From James Bond Live and Let Die, Tarot of The Witches

these two different pictures seem to have different meanings? Do they?
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The Lovers

Post by chrisdee » Fri Mar 16, 2007 4:29 pm

Here you are been asked to look at your self and be honest with your self there's a decision/choice to be made This often means giving something up which can be painful and difficult The consequences of which may be far reaching If the card is talking of love question your self is it love or lust
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Choices choices choices

Post by ellis » Fri Mar 16, 2007 5:12 pm

The etrnal love triangle. Is this card about a 3rd party coming between two people. That most difficult of choices we make between two lovers or is it an indication that someone is about to enter, and then there were 3. This card does give me some confusion at times. For me the lovers is about choices that affect the heart. A dificult choice between not only two suitors but any choice between someone and/or something that you love. Taking sides between a husband and son for example. Deciding the job needs to come first this time instead of the wife. Following that dream even though a loved one does not share it or wish to participate.

OR are we actually looking at a deep and meaningful, loving relationship? A relationship shunned by others as used to be the case in days gone between people of differing ethnicity. This love is so full of passion it MUST be sent from god himself.
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Post by Gem » Sat Mar 17, 2007 1:02 pm

Chris your pic seems to have peace and reverence and a gentleness, whereas Ellis ' card has a much deeper sexual passionate energy to say the least lol. The Rider Waite gives the inference of holy approval or matrimony, a binding a joining or ceremony?

Sometimes I wonder what decks will get posted under this one lol :smt005

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Post by lavirgo » Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:08 am

wow such interesting and beautiful pics.  

my one is from the mythic tarot,  and to me it speaks of decisions and choices, and dilema's,  or opportunities all coming at once.  

but when i look at chris's one yeah its like true love, or the coming together or soulmates, marriage even.   its like after everything just the two of us standing together.

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Post by *Star* » Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:51 pm

the lovers card..

i've been drawing the lovers and/ or the two of cups for myself in most of my readings. i usually try single card or 3 card readings, and interestingly i find this card in most of my readings, even when the question is not even remotely related to love or relationship. im kind of curious..

its only recently i started getting online tarot readings for myself though(since a month or maybe two months)..


to me the lovers card describes just ...LOVE!

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Post by chrisdee » Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:14 pm

I'm learning reading the tarot but to draw the lovers and the two of cups would indicate to me choice between lovers or a very intense relationship more likely to be the latter especially if you get the three of cups as well
the lovers on there own to me would not indicate love but a choice/decision concerned with a loved one  that as to be made hope this helps or will someone correct me if I'm wrong please

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Post by *Star* » Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:10 pm

chrisdee..

thanks. i thought the lovers and the two of cups meant the same thing.
is the two of cups a more intense card, because the cups show emotions?

my readings may not be accurate, because they were online, but, regardless..
if it means a choice between the lovers or an intense relationship, i would choose the lovers. i'm not ready for an intense relationship, yet.

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Post by *Star* » Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:11 pm

gem,

i take the literal meaning for the cards and read the obvious from the pictures. i'm yet to learn to find deeper meanings in the cards.

what confuses me, is that different decks show different pictures. and if each picture is describing something different from the other, then the same card from two different decks could mean two different things. two different interpretations for the same card?!?!!?

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Post by chrisdee » Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:39 am

Hi Star
the two of cups on its own could mean the beginning of true love or a platonic friendship you need to read the cards together to get the meaning  :smt007

If you look back in the posts say at the fool all the picture's there are of different cards but looking at the cards individually you can get nearly the same meaning from each.  The meanings i get from the Celestial deck i think closely match that of the Rider-waite but looking at the pictures they are so different  :smt052
I know your question was posted for Gem but i thought id give you my thoughts as well if that's OK.  Gem can correct me when I'm thinking along the wrong lines this way

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Post by *Star* » Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:33 am

chrisdee wrote:Hi Star

If you look back in the posts say at the fool all the picture's there are of different cards but looking at the cards individually you can get nearly the same meaning from each.  The meanings i get from the Celestial deck i think closely match that of the Rider-waite but looking at the pictures they are so different  :smt052
I know your question was posted for Gem but i thought id give you my thoughts as well if that's OK.  Gem can correct me when I'm thinking along the wrong lines this way

chris, i really appreciate you taking the time to reply although the question was addressd to gem. thanks. i've noticed that all students here, except me, have some basic knowledge of the tarots. so please feel free to post/reply, you are only helping me better understand...

the two of cups on its own could mean the beginning of true love or a platonic friendship you need to read the cards together to get the meaning  :smt007
is that the choice you were talking about? to either fall in love or to keep it platonic? and regardless of what we choose, does this card indicate a lasting relationship?

ps: im not asking because im drawing this card often. i dont take the online readings seriously..
i was asking because i was curious, and now that im learning..i would like to know.

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Post by Gem » Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:19 pm

Oooh some interesting points raised here.

First I think we all have to be very clear that when drawing cards from one deck they will not necessarily mean the same when they are drawn from another different deck. The Lovers is one card that can have multiple meanings depending on which deck it is drawn from, The pictures clearly show different aspects of a love relationship from the more passionate Mythic to the reverent Rider Waite.

To read the tarot intuitively it is what the card means to you at the time of the reading. Trying to cross interpret from another deck is very hard and usually comes out wrong. Likewise we have to be careful in interpreting cards that someone else has pulled and is asking for help with the interpretation. We can help and give general meanings of the card within the same deck but what the card means to us and the original reader will most probably be different and can clash.

Many people think that when we wake our cards and start a reading we are attuning to them, going through them one by one with this trigger method bonds our meaning to the card, so that when we draw cards, the right card for the meaning that is needed is drawn. Thats lousy english but I hope you get the idea?

Each of us are on separate journeys, with different backgrounds and experiences and so the cards will trigger different memories and meanings within us. For instance if you did a reading for Star, Chris, you might find that you pulled totally different cards, but they would most probably give the right meaning for Star according to your interpretation?

I might pull completely different cards again, but still the way that I interpreted them would be right for Star?

I know that an awful lot of teachers demand that only the Rider Waite deck is used during classes and for readings afterwards but to me that really limits everyones choice and individuality but we must all remember which set is which when we are discussing here? One of my points about showing different decks pictures of the same card is to show that nothing is set in stone and that there can be lots of right meanings for one card.

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Post by *Star* » Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:57 pm

umm, if i have two different decks, and draw same cards from the different decks for a person, the interpretation for both could be the same or vary and yet be right?

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or..
i may draw two completely different set of cards for the same person, but the eventual outcome..could be the same, or..the interpretation again could also vary, and yet be right?

this is confusing.

or is it that we only do one reading for a person. if so, how do we determine, which deck is the most appropiate for a person or  a certain issue.
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Post by suzisco » Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:12 pm

Well alot of people use only one deck to reflect their personality  plus they feel comfortable using that particular deck.  Other people look at a person and intuitively decide what pack suits that persons personality and do a reading with that pack.

Other people just love tarot cards in general and collect decks but don't use them.

Me i come from the former, I Learned on the rider waite pack but i do readings with the Tarot of the Cat People, I don't use any other pack.  That doesn't mean I can't use another style but its what suits me at this period of my life.  I may find as I grow older i may want something more mystical.

I think its fair to say that there are no rules.  If I was you i would go to a shop that spcialises in tarot cards and see which pack talks to you, the one that talks to your head and heart is the set for you.

I think in answer to your question Star, the drawing of cards is completely random and that the reading would be the same regardless of what set of tarot cards you used.  intuition will tell you what set to use and you use your inner voice to tell you, or you can do it the old fashioned and most effective way and that is pass your hand over your tarot sets and stop when it feels right.

Hope I haven't confused the issue for you.

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Post by Gem » Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:15 pm

*Star* wrote:umm, so, if i have two different decks, i may draw two completely different set of cards for the same person, but the interpretation for both could be the same,
Yep
or is it that we only do one reading for a person. if so, how do we determine, which deck is the most appropiate for a person or  a certain issue.
I don't think that anyone would actually do two readings from different decks for one person, unless in a training scenario? Would they? It would show mistrust of the cards otherwise which would be rather negative and likely to impact on the readings.

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