Why God has to come in human form?

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Why God has to come in human form?

Post by dattaswami1 » Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:22 am

Why God has to come in human form?
If the spiritual knowledge is perfect and complete, the devotion and practice are the spontaneous subsequent steps for which there is no need of any effort. If the practice is perfect and complete,  the fruit is spontaneous. Therefore, all the efforts should be put only to gain the perfect and complete spiritual knowledge. Hence, Shankara told that knowledge alone can achieve fruit (Jnanadevatu…). The perfect and complete spiritual knowledge is possible only from God. But God is unimaginable and therefore to give this perfect and complete knowledge, the unimaginable God comes down in human form.

For this purpose, which is most important, God will never enter inert medium. The human form means the soul or awareness associated with the human body. Whenever God enters this world the soul is always an associated medium with Him. You should not say that the soul or awareness alone is the associated medium. If you say like that, the soul exists in birds and animals also and these birds and animals cannot give the spiritual knowledge to humanity. Therefore, the soul should mean the soul existing in human body only.

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Post by spiritalk » Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:00 pm

For God to come to earth, it make a human being out of diety.  Diety does not need human form.  Human form needs what diety offers in creation of guidance and love.
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Post by Lax29 » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:29 am

I do not think it is true. It is human being who behaves so Godly that he becomes God alike and hence worshiped.

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Post by Aquo » Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:38 am

we should not concentrate on the form body or soul. But the knowledge itself it spreads, behaviou, and the goals and beleaves. It is all about purpose and reason. We should always ask our self a question why, and God gives the answer
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Post by Vrillin » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:48 am

The creator is the union of all meaning God is here in the now, he is me, you, & all others that include animals, plants, minerals, reptilians as in those in the 4th density, angels, etc.  All living things are fragmented souls in separation so that all shall experience through learning, creativity, building, & the knowledge of knowing through infinite reasoning.  

"We are one" through the Law of One.  The human species thinks too much in the singularity when it is more plural.  The food we eat, the water we drink, the body is a vessel.  Negative & positive are the balance that make the universe, one without the other would never work for it would destroy the universe.  

If you want an answer to your question that depends if it would depend on the law of confusion & the law of appropriation.  God is us, the devil is us, we are the fallen.  We shall rise again to become infinite intelligence.  Light is knowledge, when you invoke it it is not angels that protect you, it is you who protect yourself.  Many perceptions what the human race has been deluded.  We must be citizens of the world, in service to all, to think objectively.  Still subjective thought patterns that we must get rid of unless you want to service self.  Enough of that there is great joy over the horizon; the Cosmos will be cleaning house soon.  This cycle ends to be replaced with a new one as the human race splinters three ways.
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Post by symulhaque » Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:10 am

God comes to the earth in human form to guide people in proper path..

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Post by stalin.v » Sat Apr 06, 2013 7:35 pm

Hi

Nice question with good description.

"knowledge is power" it is a proverb.

"knowledge is pain" when we experience it.

Knowledge transfer from one birth to another in the process of evolution/via the theory of karma how good and bad deeds follow us in every birth. shankarar did not had computer knowledge. so, does that mean he had no enough knowledge to obtain salvation? In every epoch of world , human come across different knowleges. It is kali yuga where we come across so called "modern/scientific knowledge " in which most of the peoples give no importance to "spiritual knowlege". Hence, you must know that knowledge is generalized term ie., Terrorist too have better knowledge than CIA. What we suppose to talk here is all about spiritual knowledge. Synonyms of "spiritual knowledge " is "wisdom". we name it Gnana yoga. We forget this aspects due to cultural and language variation and keep using generalized english terminologies.

   This spiritual knowledge can even be obtained by illiterates . (eg: Rama krishna paramahamsar). He  obtained salvation through devotion and penance.

  There are many ways to obtain salvation. Among them , Bhakthi yoga and Gnana yoga are leading all. Here the knowledge is all about god. What can be the bigger knowledge other than knowing god within us(self)? We have many path to reach god for the purpose of individual adaptation. If you dont believe in god in form like rama, krishna in temples then you can follow penance how sages do in forest and mountain. This is individual choice to reach god.

    Machavathar - This incarnation of the god saved the world from destruction ( same way bible in christianity explains how world was  saved - flood story )

     Kurmavathar - To support devas and to save people from the poison raised from sea.

       varagavathar - To save the world from asuras (Iranyachan- he was gateman of vishnu in his previous birth . born as asura due to curse)

       Narasimha avathar - To save people from asura namely iraniyan who was previously gateman of vishnu.

        Vamanan - To demonstrate the bad effects of one's ego ( king. mahabali - still he is living in underworld.. and he will be the next indra by next epoch - king of deva)

         Balaraman - Incarnation of aathichesan (snakebed of vishnu) ; Krishna - To kill kamsa, To demonstate righteousness among many divinely incarnation in mahabharatha. karna - son of sun god - also incarnation of saturn. Arjuna - Son of indra. Bheema - son of vayu (wind god). Dharma - son of lord yama. Nagula and sagadeva - son of aswini deva. Bheshma - Incarnation of vasu (one of the 8vasu). Hope, you can understand the necessity of krishnas role now.

   Rama - Example of perfect man / perfect king to demonstrate righteousness against asuras

    Kalki - To kill and salvate us :-)

    Shiva's incarnation is much more and innumerous since we have numerous story about every corner of india to test the devotion of devotees. (In tamil literatures like periya puranam and thiruvilayadarppuranam you can get enormous information regarding it)

     Hmm... This is all i can say about the purpose of human and animal incarnation of god in short. Here you can see the darvin's theory from all vishnu's incarnation. Fish-tortoise-boar-lion-dwarf-then human forms. philosophy is bigger than what we think. but we can catch only few of them. Other things , you have to read and learn by yourself.

Regards,
stalin.v

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Post by Rohiniranjan » Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:30 am

stalin.v wrote:Hi

Nice question with good description.

"knowledge is power" it is a proverb.

"knowledge is pain" when we experience it.

Knowledge transfer from one birth to another in the process of evolution/via the theory of karma how good and bad deeds follow us in every birth. shankarar did not had computer knowledge. so, does that mean he had no enough knowledge to obtain salvation? In every epoch of world , human come across different knowleges. It is kali yuga where we come across so called "modern/scientific knowledge " in which most of the peoples give no importance to "spiritual knowlege". Hence, you must know that knowledge is generalized term ie., Terrorist too have better knowledge than CIA. What we suppose to talk here is all about spiritual knowledge. Synonyms of "spiritual knowledge " is "wisdom". we name it Gnana yoga. We forget this aspects due to cultural and language variation and keep using generalized english terminologies.

   This spiritual knowledge can even be obtained by illiterates . (eg: Rama krishna paramahamsar). He  obtained salvation through devotion and penance.

  There are many ways to obtain salvation. Among them , Bhakthi yoga and Gnana yoga are leading all. Here the knowledge is all about god. What can be the bigger knowledge other than knowing god within us(self)? We have many path to reach god for the purpose of individual adaptation. If you dont believe in god in form like rama, krishna in temples then you can follow penance how sages do in forest and mountain. This is individual choice to reach god.

    Machavathar - This incarnation of the god saved the world from destruction ( same way bible in christianity explains how world was  saved - flood story )

     Kurmavathar - To support devas and to save people from the poison raised from sea.

       varagavathar - To save the world from asuras (Iranyachan- he was gateman of vishnu in his previous birth . born as asura due to curse)

       Narasimha avathar - To save people from asura namely iraniyan who was previously gateman of vishnu.

        Vamanan - To demonstrate the bad effects of one's ego ( king. mahabali - still he is living in underworld.. and he will be the next indra by next epoch - king of deva)

         Balaraman - Incarnation of aathichesan (snakebed of vishnu) ; Krishna - To kill kamsa, To demonstate righteousness among many divinely incarnation in mahabharatha. karna - son of sun god - also incarnation of saturn. Arjuna - Son of indra. Bheema - son of vayu (wind god). Dharma - son of lord yama. Nagula and sagadeva - son of aswini deva. Bheshma - Incarnation of vasu (one of the 8vasu). Hope, you can understand the necessity of krishnas role now.

   Rama - Example of perfect man / perfect king to demonstrate righteousness against asuras

    Kalki - To kill and salvate us :-)

    Shiva's incarnation is much more and innumerous since we have numerous story about every corner of india to test the devotion of devotees. (In tamil literatures like periya puranam and thiruvilayadarppuranam you can get enormous information regarding it)

     Hmm... This is all i can say about the purpose of human and animal incarnation of god in short. Here you can see the darvin's theory from all vishnu's incarnation. Fish-tortoise-boar-lion-dwarf-then human forms. philosophy is bigger than what we think. but we can catch only few of them. Other things , you have to read and learn by yourself.

Regards,
stalin.v



Dear *Stalin*,

Hmmm...!

Lord Krishna, I believe was the poorna_purusha, the perfect man!

Lord Ram(a) gave up his doting life-companion who followed him, no questions asked, to the local politics and PUBLIC (union?) demands when He returned to the (devil-may-care, ayodhyaa_vasis who knew not one whit what they had received, even in Ramayana days!).

In few words, STUPIDITY is nothing NEW but has plagued human beings (general public?) for Aeons!!

KAL-QI awatar is not about killing us but our age-old and pervasive human folly known as: STUPIDITY of which politics is one global example!

In hindi it is called: Bhe(r)d chaal! Sheep following other sheep!

Interestingly, in astrophilosophical realms and realizations, goats and mountain goats (Ram - Aries -Mesha rashi) are mentioned and begin the zodiacal circle but no SHEEP ever mentioned!

Love, Light, Wondering...!

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Post by stalin.v » Sun Apr 07, 2013 8:23 am

Hello Rohini.....

      Punyapurusha krishna had multiple wife while the poor rama , who had single wife Lost his significance (no, rama is the best incarnation and role model of humans even today approximately 7000 years after). does not your statement sound worse than STUPIDITY by now? osho may love krishna and say he is a perfect man. but krishna had many wives, failed 17 times with one king when he fought with(hope you can name that king! That king was later killed by bheema). That punya purusa was wrongly accused for jewel theft. Still you can call him punya purusa. Nevertheless, he is diplomat and saved the life of arjuna in many occasion. Even i love krishna

    I am not a goat who follow osho, but a sting of 'scorpio' who follow the hinduism. guess my lagna now. I am no way related to aries.

   Kalki is said to be destroyer of world. He will born when no purity remain in this world. Unless we get salvation before the birth of kalki, we would be killed by him. Hmm...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalki

     Arguments will just show your ego, Not your knowledge. :-)

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Post by Rohiniranjan » Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:29 pm

stalin.v wrote:Hello Rohini.....

      Punyapurusha krishna had multiple wife while the poor rama , who had single wife Lost his significance (no, rama is the best incarnation and role model of humans even today approximately 7000 years after). does not your statement sound worse than STUPIDITY by now? osho may love krishna and say he is a perfect man. but krishna had many wives, failed 17 times with one king when he fought with(hope you can name that king! That king was later killed by bheema). That punya purusa was wrongly accused for jewel theft. Still you can call him punya purusa. Nevertheless, he is diplomat and saved the life of arjuna in many occasion. Even i love krishna

    I am not a goat who follow osho, but a sting of 'scorpio' who follow the hinduism. guess my lagna now. I am no way related to aries.

   Kalki is said to be destroyer of world. He will born when no purity remain in this world. Unless we get salvation before the birth of kalki, we would be killed by him. Hmm...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalki

     Arguments will just show your ego, Not your knowledge. :-)

Dear Scorpio friend,

Not sure why you are taking my general remarks not at all aimed *at* you, so personally :-)

By the way it was not a comparison between Sri Rama and Sri Krishna, both mythological figures and way above any of us or all of us rolled together!

Even in our loftiest arrogance, we cannot even manage to touch either ones shadow, let alone feet!

Also, I stated "Poorna" and not 'punya'! ;-)

Love and Light and Calm Clarity!

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Post by stalin.v » Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:38 pm

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Post by Rohiniranjan » Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:16 am

stalin.v wrote:<3
In reality, my scorpio friend (may I address you so?) the heart (associated with emotions and the new buzz-words -- people-skills and emotional intelligence (EQ) is not like an ice creme cone that has fallen on its side!

It is actually like a fist made in a mitten (a finger-less thick glove very useful in Eastern and Western Siberia and further nothern climes!) and when really healthy, almost resembles a boot! Anatomical reality!

Love, Light, Scorpio-Reality!

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Post by Rohiniranjan » Sat Apr 13, 2013 11:37 pm

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Each *?*, whether right-side up, upside or sideways has a 'curve' incorporated but when it gets explained (self-musings or by others...) changes into a *!*, the symbol of an 'answer' and exclaimation...

Inherently, both the question:? and its answer: !, punctuations utilized in any Q&A series or conversation, are basically same.

The curve in ? gets straightened into a ! and then the ! develops a curve and becomes a follow-up ? until it gets straightened out again, at least temporarily, into a !

That is where Philosophy ends and we enter the applied sub-forum of astrology.

Both (and several other disciplines of human experience are connected and part of the ONE -- we should not discuss that here in deference to our hosts (of Mystic Board) but perhaps one of these days we can discuss that in the jyotish subforum. Things such as mesha and vrishchika! Aries is prominent these days because of the sankranti which is the moment of crowning of beloved SUN!


Love, light,and Levity! ;-)

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