Sex and love between two souls

[dattaswami]

Sex and love between two souls

The Veda shows the two ways. One is Pravrutti and the other is Nivrutti. In Pravrutti, the Veda advises the soul to marry for reproduction (prajatantum…), which is divine mission only. In Nivrutti, the Veda asks the soul to do the work of God without marriage (yadahareva virajet…) because the soul is not interested in any other thing except God. Ofcourse, marriage and reproduction of the souls coming from the upper world and training them with good devotion to God is also divine work. The momentary selfish happiness present in sex is not considered, because it does not persist afterwards. Thus it is participation of two souls like two colleagues in a job. The third soul takes a body out of it and appears here with its own line of destiny. The third soul is like a new trainee employee for the divine mission. Even the Lord needs parents to come in human form to uplift the humanity. If the divine purpose of reproduction is absent, God would have not created the sex and love between two souls. Without realising this divine mission, the three employees forget the job and the employer and develops liking to each other, which intensifies into blind foolishness called as ‘Moha’.

In Jaimini Bharatam, there is a story that tells that in his kingdom, people think Lord even during their copulation in the nights. This means that they are remembering the purpose of the sex in the service of God. If this divine goal is realised, one need not feel shy and hide sex feeling as if it is a sin. This divine purpose is reminded by the sculpture that shows the union of couple on the walls of the sacred temples. The present westerners and ancient Indians do not feel shy about the sex and are frank without hiding the feelings regarding it. One need not magnify it and keep it as secret like divine knowledge (Brahma Jnanam). When you are doing some work in the job, you forget it and go home peacefully. Shankara had to indulge in sex to defeat the wife of Mandana Misra in the knowledge of Kama Shastra. He forgot it and never carried on the feelings about it, because His mind was not on it. He replied to Goddess Saraswati the same and told that He was pure while climbing the throne of ‘Sarvajna Peetha’. When some devotees asked Me about the sex affair of a great saint, I asked them ‘why don’t you see the great works done by him?

Are these silly things need any mention, which are just the biological functions? Why do you magnify them, which are not worth of even thinking? When you see a picture do you see the excretion of hero in the lavatory? Why such scenes are not shot? Only the great works done by the hero are mentioned on the screen. A Nobel prize is not given to a person who controlled sex, which is also not denied to a great person because he could not control sex’.

At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

Anil Antony

www.universal-spirituality.org
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

[AMANUSH-FORCE]

Sex and love between two souls

The Veda shows the two ways. One is Pravrutti and the other is Nivrutti. In Pravrutti, the Veda advises the soul to marry for reproduction (prajatantum…), which is divine mission only. In Nivrutti, the Veda asks the soul to do the work of God without marriage (yadahareva virajet…) because the soul is not interested in any other thing except God. Ofcourse, marriage and reproduction of the souls coming from the upper world and training them with good devotion to God is also divine work. The momentary selfish happiness present in sex is not considered, because it does not persist afterwards. Thus it is participation of two souls like two colleagues in a job. The third soul takes a body out of it and appears here with its own line of destiny. The third soul is like a new trainee employee for the divine mission. Even the Lord needs parents to come in human form to uplift the humanity. If the divine purpose of reproduction is absent, God would have not created the sex and love between two souls. Without realising this divine mission, the three employees forget the job and the employer and develops liking to each other, which intensifies into blind foolishness called as ‘Moha’.

In Jaimini Bharatam, there is a story that tells that in his kingdom, people think Lord even during their copulation in the nights. This means that they are remembering the purpose of the sex in the service of God. If this divine goal is realised, one need not feel shy and hide sex feeling as if it is a sin. This divine purpose is reminded by the sculpture that shows the union of couple on the walls of the sacred temples. The present westerners and ancient Indians do not feel shy about the sex and are frank without hiding the feelings regarding it. One need not magnify it and keep it as secret like divine knowledge (Brahma Jnanam). When you are doing some work in the job, you forget it and go home peacefully. Shankara had to indulge in sex to defeat the wife of Mandana Misra in the knowledge of Kama Shastra. He forgot it and never carried on the feelings about it, because His mind was not on it. He replied to Goddess Saraswati the same and told that He was pure while climbing the throne of ‘Sarvajna Peetha’. When some devotees asked Me about the sex affair of a great saint, I asked them ‘why don’t you see the great works done by him?

Are these silly things need any mention, which are just the biological functions? Why do you magnify them, which are not worth of even thinking? When you see a picture do you see the excretion of hero in the lavatory? Why such scenes are not shot? Only the great works done by the hero are mentioned on the screen. A Nobel prize is not given to a person who controlled sex, which is also not denied to a great person because he could not control sex’.

At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

Anil Antony

www.universal-spirituality.org
Universal Spirituality for World Peace
antonyanil@universal-spirituality.org

There can be no creation without the relationship of the opposites. There could be no creation from Shiva alone, or from Nature alone. The union of a perceiver and a perceived, an enjoyer and the enjoyed, of a passive and active principle, is essential for creation to take place.

[panky1987]

good post ever

[dattaswami]

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There can be no creation without the relationship of the opposites. There could be no creation from Shiva alone, or from Nature alone. The union of a perceiver and a perceived, an enjoyer and the enjoyed, of a passive and active principle, is essential for creation to take place.

The gross body is inert and is like a cloth of the soul. Sex is the momentary happiness that is experienced by the physical touch of the two inert gross bodies. People use the word ‘love’ for sex. Love is the quality of subtle body (the inner item), which is made of qualities. Sex is the physical action of the gross body, like hunger, thirst etc., which is a biological function. Sex (kama) is related to body and love (Prema) is related to mind. Body and mind are mutually linked. Both sex and love are created by God for the divine work of reproduction of souls (dharma) which is the essential basis of His divine drama. All this is the issue between two souls only. After death, both sex and love disappear because even the recognition of the other soul does not exist any more. The love towards God is called as Bhakti, which is eternal, because the bond with God is eternal. Love is not eternal as it is limited to this birth only.

[kecia33]

I agree that sex is not love. I believe that if you can't make love to a person's mind that what is done with that person is at best prostitution: giving and receiving a fantasy without the commitment of love attached.

Using the body to procreate is what keeps the planet populated, but I think two people just enjoying the pleasure of their bodies will forget information in the arousal and action stage of sex. And I believe no birth is a mistake organically, however infantile their action may seem to some. When the intellect is engaged after the pleasure is reached, this is where problems come about the difference between sex and love. As long as two consenting people have no adverse consequences from the act of sex, being in love is not an issue.

Maturity and intellect makes for excellent sex with someone you love. Being honest with yourself about expectations, makes for excellent sex with anyone.

I don't judge anyone's sexual actions, that is between them and their God, and if others would spend time judging their own issues, they would find no time to judge others.

[dattaswami]

I agree that sex is not love. I believe that if you can't make love to a person's mind that what is done with that person is at best prostitution: giving and receiving a fantasy without the commitment of love attached.

Using the body to procreate is what keeps the planet populated, but I think two people just enjoying the pleasure of their bodies will forget information in the arousal and action stage of sex. And I believe no birth is a mistake organically, however infantile their action may seem to some. When the intellect is engaged after the pleasure is reached, this is where problems come about the difference between sex and love. As long as two consenting people have no adverse consequences from the act of sex, being in love is not an issue.

Maturity and intellect makes for excellent sex with someone you love. Being honest with yourself about expectations, makes for excellent sex with anyone.

I don't judge anyone's sexual actions, that is between them and their God, and if others would spend time judging their own issues, they would find no time to judge others.

Marriage is for reproduction or generation of issues. It is a divine mission. Homosexuality is against the divine mission. It shows only worldly blind attachment. At least marriage with the opposite sex lead to generation of issues and when the issues are generated you are paving a way for the souls coming from the upper world to the earth for giving the gross body for that soul. You are participating in the divine mission and so the marriage is a part of divine mission. And sometimes who knows you may give birth to Adisankara, or birth to Meera. In that case as father and mother of Sankara, as father and mother of Meera, as father and mother of Swami Vivekananda, you are blessed. Is it not? Therefore the marriage is a divine mission. It is not wrong to avoid the marriage provided it is natural, not by force. Avoiding marriage is liberation. When one is attached to God intensively the worldly bonds are dropped naturally. For example take Adi Shankara, He was attached to God, and His mind is not going for any worldly bonds. He did not marry. Similarly Jesus, Swami Vivekananda, all these people; why they do not marry. First they are attached to God and they are liberated from the worldly bonds and therefore these worldly bonds are not attractive to them. So it depends on the interest. That is why learning about God must be done in the child hood itself. Brahmacharya Ashrama. Charya means knowledge.

Marriage is not done in the child hood. By the end of the child hood or brahmacharay you have learned sufficiently about God. Knowledge is completed.  You must have got devotion completely on God. In that case automatically the liberation is a spontaneous process. You are not willing to marry; that is very good. But after finishing Brahma Charay also if you have desire to marry that means even after learning about God the real interest is not created on GOD. In that case better marry. Now after marrying in course of time again continue your effort. The Brhma charya should be continued, that is learning about God. In that wife also can take part. Then slowly by Vanprasthshrama the third ashrama you may develop interest on God, and she may also develop interest on God and then both of you like co-spiritual aspirant, as an association in spiritual effort, and finally sanyasa the complete absorption on God. It is again reaching the goal late. Any way one should not leave the marriage by force. If one is not interested in marriage due to his interest on God then it is not wrong. If interest on God is not there then He should marry. Some people are not interested in God and they also not interested in marrying, they do not want to take responsibility; they want to enjoy, something like that. That is not correct. Reason must be interest on God. Sankara did not marry, Jesus did not marry, and that is OK.

While selecting the wife our elders were very much concentrating on the back ground of the girl. If the back ground of the girl is good and they are also spiritual aspirants, then the girl also will get that culture. So she will be congenial to you in your spiritual effort also. That is why in marriage, in olden days the back ground is seen very much in our elder generation. But today marriage is simply done just for physical body attraction or just for financial consideration. They are not correct. In marriage your primary aim should be for selecting a partner for your spiritual achievement. That interest atleast she must have. So that both of them can go together. The marriage is not wrong provided the partner is good and also helpful in gaining the spiritual path, it is good. In spiritual path also the satsanga should be done, you need a companion you need some body to discuss about God, if it is your wife how lucky.