Discipline and Obedience
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Discipline and Obedience
Discipline and Obedience are two subjects that are so vital and yet so tragically misunderstood by most of us, that it may be well to go a little more deeply into discussion of them. Should children obey, unquestioningly, passively, with no volition of their own?
I am going to sit back and think on this ... maybe it is the words you use .. maybe I am not sure I understand your point.
I think times have changed - some good some bad .. I think the instant an adult thinks a child should obey - is wrong! I think we have to earn a childs respect and trust - yes a little back wards from what we were taught as a child ............. but I say this for good reason .. If you respect a child and earn his trust .......the rest falls into place!
As for the way you wrote this .. I felt as if you were talking about a dog not a child!
I think times have changed - some good some bad .. I think the instant an adult thinks a child should obey - is wrong! I think we have to earn a childs respect and trust - yes a little back wards from what we were taught as a child ............. but I say this for good reason .. If you respect a child and earn his trust .......the rest falls into place!
As for the way you wrote this .. I felt as if you were talking about a dog not a child!
Deborah wrote:I am going to sit back and think on this ... maybe it is the words you use .. maybe I am not sure I understand your point.
I think times have changed - some good some bad .. I think the instant an adult thinks a child should obey - is wrong! I think we have to earn a childs respect and trust - yes a little back wards from what we were taught as a child ............. but I say this for good reason .. If you respect a child and earn his trust .......the rest falls into place!
As for the way you wrote this .. I felt as if you were talking about a dog not a child!
As for the way you wrote this .. I felt as if you were talking about a dog not a child! (Deborah quote)
That's why you should think rather than go on what you feel I said. :smt003
(Stan's question and quote) Discipline and Obedience are two subjects that are so vital and yet so tragically misunderstood by most of us, that it may be well to go a little more deeply into discussion of them. Should children obey, unquestioningly, passively, with no volition of their own?
Communication - teaches them to be fine adults ..
there are so many researches out there that show that with communication a child will reach .. will grasp... and stop
Bullies have been proven to stop with communication ...
a child who can speak and gather thoughts well is gathering info is listening is speaking of everything with this open door.
I quote Dr. Becky Bailey -
"How can I discipline my child?"
"Shift from seeking to create an "obedient" child to nurturing a productive member of your family and you will see a world of change in your young one. Conscious Discipline can teach you the skills you need to have the safe, happy life you dream of for your self and your family."
We produce a productive member of the family through communication.
there are so many researches out there that show that with communication a child will reach .. will grasp... and stop
Bullies have been proven to stop with communication ...
a child who can speak and gather thoughts well is gathering info is listening is speaking of everything with this open door.
I quote Dr. Becky Bailey -
"How can I discipline my child?"
"Shift from seeking to create an "obedient" child to nurturing a productive member of your family and you will see a world of change in your young one. Conscious Discipline can teach you the skills you need to have the safe, happy life you dream of for your self and your family."
We produce a productive member of the family through communication.
Thanks Deborah. Unlike a dog that learns obedience through fear of punishment the child learns to comply because the request was reasonable and reason tells him it is necessary to obey. It also prepares the child for others who will be set in authority over them. The child will also learn the skills needed in securing the obedience of others. If you have any other thoughts I would like to hear them from you. lol
Stan I disagree with your ideas on how a child learns. A child learns through love, guidance, trial, error, ....
Obedience is such a harsh word when you are reflecting upon a child.
Proper training always guides a child.
If I may ask do you have children? What is your area of training?
Also are you a Christian .. if you are referring to the proverbs listing of to train a child .. if you look further in the biblical meaning it means to to Teach!
On a side note - if you have ever seen a child who was beaten down ... "abused" to teach them is a hard job ......why? because you must get them to trust you first!
Dear Deborah, I hope you read kids better then you do me. Since you totaly disagree with the statements I made, please show the human element and take each statement and elaborate why you disagree, so that all can see. As for credentials, I think those who hold them should get a clean psychological bill of health. Thats what I think. :smt003
Stan I disagree with your ideas on how a child learns. A child learns through love, guidance, trial, error, ....
Obedience is such a harsh word when you are reflecting upon a child.
Proper training always guides a child.
If I may ask do you have children? What is your area of training?
Also are you a Christian .. if you are referring to the proverbs listing of to train a child .. if you look further in the biblical meaning it means to to Teach!
On a side note - if you have ever seen a child who was beaten down ... "abused" to teach them is a hard job ......why? because you must get them to trust you first!
Dear Deborah, I hope you read kids better then you do me. Since you totaly disagree with the statements I made, please show the human element and take each statement and elaborate why you disagree, so that all can see. As for credentials, I think those who hold them should get a clean psychological bill of health. Thats what I think. :smt003
Last edited by stan on Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:11 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Stan I disagree with your ideas on how a child learns. A child learns through love, guidance, trial, error, ....
Obedience is such a harsh word when you are reflecting upon a child.
Proper training always guides a child.
If I may ask do you have children? What is your area of training?
Obedience is such a harsh word when you are reflecting upon a child.
Proper training always guides a child.
If I may ask do you have children? What is your area of training?
Also are you a Christian .. if you are referring to the proverbs listing of to train a child .. if you look further in the biblical meaning it means to to Teach!
On a side note - if you have ever seen a child who was beaten down ... "abused" to teach them is a hard job ......why? because you must get them to trust you first!
On a side note - if you have ever seen a child who was beaten down ... "abused" to teach them is a hard job ......why? because you must get them to trust you first!
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Re: Discipline and Obedience
One could apply them to the whole of the adult population too? The two words are quite unrelated, but without one would the other even exist?stan wrote:Discipline and Obedience are two subjects that are so vital and yet so tragically misunderstood by most of us, ?
if you step on a fallen branch does the tree still weep?
Re: Discipline and Obedience
Forest Of Mysteries wrote:One could apply them to the whole of the adult population too? The two words are quite unrelated, but without one would the other even exist?stan wrote:Discipline and Obedience are two subjects that are so vital and yet so tragically misunderstood by most of us, ?
if you step on a fallen branch does the tree still weep?
Yes! One could apply this to the adult population as well! The word obedience, seems to trigger a negative reaction in some, which reminds me of a story. The kids are at recess and having a blast and the teacher comes out and says, okay fun and games are over with it's time for math! What is that teacher communicating to those kids? That Teacher is conveying that math is no fun - unconsciously. Thank you for your insight. We all need to live more conscious lives.
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