नमः शिवाय!
Rohiniranjan wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:51 am
Nice postings you have been sharing lately. Thanks!
No mention
Rohiniranjan wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:51 am
Regarding Karakamsa, although the amsa is determined in navamsa,
Yup!
Rohiniranjan wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:51 am
some jyotishis have stated that the inter-planetary relationships etc should be examined in the navamsa chart, while others have recommended such an examination also in the rashi (D1) chart.
Without any doubt I completely agree!!!
Rohiniranjan wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:51 am
for instance, one should examine the planetary distributions from leo in D1 (and D9).
As you already aware of that Kārakāmśa is to be seen in Rāśi only since that's how Mahaṛṣi Jaimini has defined!
Rohiniranjan wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:51 am
Would appreciate hearing your thoughts on this.
Oh! sure, why not!?
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By the way, I'm writing the following by eating famous Haldirams! So, don't be envious while reading!
Dear Rohiniranjan Ji, as you already know & I'm again mentioning to emphasize the fact that I'm still at learning stage. So, the following description is solely based on my experience, my speculation & also by other knowledgeable people.
Rohiniranjan Ji, as everyone knows that Rāśi is 1st (it's physical) & thus it is primary. Now, for the internal things I feel that we need to see from Ātmakāraka, Sun, Pāka lagna & also from the present Daśa lord. It is imperative that if we need to analyze the things internally divisional charts are very very important (combined with D-1!!!). In that we all know every Bhāva in Navāmśa is Bhāgyam (fortune, real fortune)! Indeed Mahaṛṣi Parāśara himself has given 5 points in Vimśopaka bala! It seems that we can study this chart independently!... Here I'm not gonna debate like how aspects are valid, how conjunctions are valid! 1st before to question all these we need to understand why 1/9th part is defined for Bhāgya, even I know this why is it so, but the understanding is concerned, I feel it is still vague! Even people comments on combustion, but are Grahās really getting burnt physically w.r.t. Earth frame of reference!? Thus, I'll take the dictum in internal (divisional charts as it is!) combustion meaning conjunction in varga charts (I'm taking like this, but will change my perspective if i find some valid reason). Because, I'm feeling that the combustion is from the inner Kārakatvās of that particular Graha in Vargās!
I'd like to talk from my experience w.r.t. my horoscope
As you've already know
Rohiniranjan wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:51 am
for instance, one should examine the planetary distributions from leo in D1 (and D9).
Now, let me quote from scripture itself:
Spirit Seeker wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:09 pm
Sūtra 106: Gurunas ravid granthikascan / kaschana or kāscana depending upon the gender!
If Guru joins the Kārakāmśa or the 5th from it, he will be an all-round man and will know many branches of knowledge, well read in sciences and author of various works. He becomes a versatile genius.
I've this position in my horoscope, now can we conclude that I'm versatile, genius, well versed in Sciences or Śāstrās (correct term to use over here)?
Nope! Not at all! Not because it is given in the sacred book, I really have interested in Vedās & all the 6 Vedāñgās. But proficiency has to do with several other factors! If you see my D-9 my Ātmakāraka is in Leo! From there, Jupiter is in Gemini (It's an enemy sign). Not just that, if people see my horoscope, all will think that Oh nice 5th lord exalted & that too in 2nd! & also Mercury (Kāraka for speech) is in 2nd. But actually, Mercury is in stationary state! It's in one-fourth of it's original speed when I born. So, it will act more like Nakṣatra than like a Graha. Though good in one way! But when you see the same Mercury in Chaturvimśāmśa the D-24 chart. Chart of learning, Mercury is in Pisces! It is debilitated! Frankly speaking my grasping power is very very low! But I'm recovering with lots of practice! It takes so much of time to understand! Once understood, that's it! Not just that in my D-24, I'm blessed with debilitated Mercury, debilitated 4th, 5th lord Saturn & also with debilitated Jupiter! So, it's very weak chart when learning is concerned, but it doesn't mean I'm incapable, (I think that all the above 3 Grahās got nīcabhañga) I feel that those debilitated Grahās are actually helping me to work hard w.r.t. those Kārakatvās. But believe me, it takes hell lot of time. Okay, I shouldn't care how much time it'll take, I must do it independent of thinking all these things! What I feel is, debilitated Grahās as they aspect their exalted Rāśi with 7th aspect (Kāma dṛṣti)as time progress they are actually trying to desire to become perfection (since actual meaning of exaltation is being Sātvik w.r.t. those Kārakatvās). I feel so, it's just my speculation, so can't quote any verse
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But our aim is not to become Sātvik! We need to become beyond all the 3 Gunās! (Sattvaguṇa, Rajoguṇa & Tamoguṇa) We need to elevate our soul!!! It'll come with persistent practice!... So, in a way D-1 helped me to give lot by giving "GOOD" opportunities.
I really thank god, that in my Vimśāmśa my lagna lord of D-1 is in Vargottama! Jupiter is in Sagittarius. But Ātmakāraka Venus debilitated in 2nd house! But Venus has scored 8 Aṣtakavarga score in D-20. But still it is debilitated. Even Sun is in debilitation. But from lagna Jupiter is in 5th glancing Ascendant with his 9th aspect. Being 8th lord & 5th lord it is good!) So, I need to work very very very hard!!! Yes I'll! & Importantly, I have to gain maturity!
I think all the points suffice to say that divisional charts (Vargās) play a very very crucial role in our lives by keeping a BIG EYE ON D-1! Should see, D-1 with relevant Varga chart! Only then we could minimize probabilities!
Ultimate Aim of Jyotiṣam is to become a Jyotiṣi! Meaning an enlightened soul! Becoming / Realizing one with Sun (Naisargika Ātmakāraka) / Paramātma. So, till realizing our soul we can't feel other's pain or anything! We can't understand anyone without realizing ourselves! So, in a positive way Jyotiṣam helps us to realize us! Thus it is Spiritual & Parāvidya!
Even in Navāmśa there are lot of modified versions. It seems that skills are to be ascertained from Nādi Navāmśa! So, all these things to be kept in mind while coming to the conclusion.
I think I've cleared, if anything else required from me!?
That's why I've asked, with 2nd house affliction predictions come true or not! Since Rāhu is aspecting 2nd house with his 5th aspect. But I think Moon's aspect & Venus, Mercury position helps!
FINALLY, I'd like to add a last point, Venus is my Ātmakāraka! My ego got affected a lot in just little span! It's not even Mahādaśa! It was just an Antardaśa under 7th/10th lord Mercury Mahādaśa. I've learnt a lot but I didn't gain any maturity! Just learned
Thanks